On 21/11/17 10:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 20/11/17 00:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's actually quite rare to have a totally electronic recording. Most
have vocals. Many real drums, guitars, and so on. All of which picked
up by microphones in exactly the same way as a classical piece.


Actually, not that rare. EDM.

Of course purely electronic instrumentals exist. But only as a very small
proportion of all recordings.


Made since the year dot, yes

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Adrian C

On 21/11/2017 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time trying
to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in their
sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should hate more
than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the orchestra
in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least as close to
that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to classical
concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close to it as you
can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding you or anyone else
*has* to want the same, though.


Does nobody remember A Song of Reproduction?


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In article , Graeme Wall
wrote:
On 21/11/2017 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the
orchestra in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least
as close to that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to
classical concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close
to it as you can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding
you or anyone else *has* to want the same, though.


Does nobody remember A Song of Reproduction?

Yes, I've had a copy for many years. :-)

Jim

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In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Of course purely electronic instrumentals exist. But only as a very small
proportion of all recordings.


Made since the year dot, yes

There were electronic instruments in the year dot?

I'd say by their very nature they came rather later than the gramophone.
;-)

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On 21/11/17 13:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Of course purely electronic instrumentals exist. But only as a very small
proportion of all recordings.


Made since the year dot, yes

There were electronic instruments in the year dot?


Of course... someone must have done a jig to Morse code!

I'd say by their very nature they came rather later than the gramophone.
;-)

gramophone in 1877
morse code in 1830

er, siphon recorder in 1867
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphon_recorder


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D.M. Procida wrote:

Clearly, the discerning hi-fi consumer will buy whatever seems to work
for them at the right price.

But, why do the manufacturers design and build CD players the way they
do?

[...]

The cheapest CDROM drive has to scrape every bit off a disc in order to
function as a reliable device for digital storage of software and data.
Presumably it can do just the same job for a music CD.

It might be cool to design a CD player with a solid, weighty chassis and
aerospace-grade bearings - but if the job of getting data off it can be
done as effectively by a transport + reader + data interface that costs
peanuts, why spend money doing that when it could be spent where it
would make more difference (a better DAC, a better control interface, a
better PSU)?

It's still not clear to me whether I'm missing something about how CD
audio actually works, or whether the CD player as we've known it for the
last 30+ years is an anachronism.

In a hotel lobby today, I was leafing through an hi-fi magazine I
happened to see. It reviewed a CD player, opening with a sentence to the
effect that "the CD player as we know it may soon be dead".

This CD player (a Meridian, and rather expensive) apparently uses a
cheap CD-ROM drive to get the data off the disk, and can use the drive's
extra speed to read ahead and buffer it (allowing it for example to have
multiple goes at reading problematic areas of the disk) in pretty much
the way I suggested would be possible.

I assume it's this one:
https://www.meridian-audio.com/en/products/cd-players/reference-808v6/.

So maybe I'm not missing anything... although I do note that this
solution to the problem of playing CDs doesn't actually make the
business cheaper.

Daniele

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
This CD player (a Meridian, and rather expensive) apparently uses a
cheap CD-ROM drive to get the data off the disk, and can use the drive's
extra speed to read ahead and buffer it (allowing it for example to have
multiple goes at reading problematic areas of the disk) in pretty much
the way I suggested would be possible.

I've got a CD 'jukebox' here. Either plays CDs direct, or rips them to an
internal hard drive. And thrust me, you don't want a CD-Rom drive spinning
at speed in the same room as a CD you're listening to.

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Once upon a time on usenet Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
This CD player (a Meridian, and rather expensive) apparently uses a
cheap CD-ROM drive to get the data off the disk, and can use the
drive's extra speed to read ahead and buffer it (allowing it for
example to have multiple goes at reading problematic areas of the
disk) in pretty much the way I suggested would be possible.

I've got a CD 'jukebox' here. Either plays CDs direct, or rips them
to an internal hard drive. And thrust me, you don't want a CD-Rom
drive spinning at speed in the same room as a CD you're listening to.

Thrust you? No thanks. ;-)
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Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
This CD player (a Meridian, and rather expensive) apparently uses a
cheap CD-ROM drive to get the data off the disk, and can use the drive's
extra speed to read ahead and buffer it (allowing it for example to have
multiple goes at reading problematic areas of the disk) in pretty much
the way I suggested would be possible.

I've got a CD 'jukebox' here. Either plays CDs direct, or rips them to an
internal hard drive. And thrust me, you don't want a CD-Rom drive spinning
at speed in the same room as a CD you're listening to.

I know what a CD-ROM drive at full blast sounds like. However even the
cheapest ones now have quiet or silent modes; they don't all have to run
at top speed all the time.

The Meridian solution seems to do as I imagined, needing neither to
operate fully in real-time or to require storage of the complete CD.

Is your CD jukebox a homegrown affair?

Daniele

On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:41:35 +0000,
(D.M. Procida) wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
D.M. Procida wrote:
This CD player (a Meridian, and rather expensive) apparently uses a
cheap CD-ROM drive to get the data off the disk, and can use the drive's
extra speed to read ahead and buffer it (allowing it for example to have
multiple goes at reading problematic areas of the disk) in pretty much
the way I suggested would be possible.

I've got a CD 'jukebox' here. Either plays CDs direct, or rips them to an
internal hard drive. And thrust me, you don't want a CD-Rom drive spinning
at speed in the same room as a CD you're listening to.

I know what a CD-ROM drive at full blast sounds like. However even the
cheapest ones now have quiet or silent modes; they don't all have to run
at top speed all the time.

The Meridian solution seems to do as I imagined, needing neither to
operate fully in real-time or to require storage of the complete CD.

Is your CD jukebox a homegrown affair?

Daniele

Transfer to SSD has to be the answer to all these issues.

d

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