In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

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Mike Fleming

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

d

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On 20/11/2017 20:52, Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.


Woosh!


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Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In article ,
(Don Pearce) writes:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

Perhaps I should include this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DptPvj7ts

And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.

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Mike Fleming

On 20/11/17 00:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's actually quite rare to have a totally electronic recording.
Most have vocals. Many real drums, guitars, and so on. All of which picked
up by microphones in exactly the same way as a classical piece.


Actually, not that rare. EDM.

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Adrian C

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:36:57 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article ,
(Don Pearce) writes:

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:15:11 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes:

If you were to do a rule of thumb for a classical recording with no chance
to experiment or rehearse in the venue, you'd simply sling a stereo pair
above the conductor. Since he is the one who 'engineers' the balance of
the orchestra. But that's not a place any member of the audience can hear
the work from.

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time
trying to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in
their sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should
hate more than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

You have this backwards. The only way to have the orchestra playing in
your sitting room is with an anechoic recording - nasty sounding
things. What they are trying to do is expand the walls of the sitting
room to match the concert hall by reproducing the acoustics of the
hall. Some of the Dolby D coverage from the RHA was not half bad at
that.

Perhaps I should include this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_DptPvj7ts

And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.

Inflatable houses are the answer.

d

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In article , Mike Fleming
wrote:

"People make an awful lot of fuss, anyway, about the quality of the
sound they listen to. Have you noticed; they spend all that time trying
to get the exact effect of an orchestra actually playing in their
sitting room. Personally, I can't think of anything I should hate more
than an orchestra actually playing in my sitting room."

Misses a point that some of us may want to hear the "sound of the orchestra
in the *concert hall* " in our listening room - or at least as close to
that as we can get. And if - like me - you enjoy going to classical
concerts you may wish to do this. Or at least get as close to it as you
can. Something I'd love, not hate. No-one is demanding you or anyone else
*has* to want the same, though.

Jim

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In article , Adrian Caspersz
wrote:
On 20/11/17 00:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's actually quite rare to have a totally electronic recording.
Most have vocals. Many real drums, guitars, and so on. All of which picked
up by microphones in exactly the same way as a classical piece.


Actually, not that rare. EDM.

Even more so when you add in aggressive 'autotune', etc, on what might
otherwise be human voices. 8-]

Jim

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Mike Fleming Moron wrote:

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And I don't think my sitting room is big enough for an orchestra to
play in it. Expanding the walls to match the concert hall would run
into issues with planning permission, and next door's side wall.



** In a heavily damped room, the lack of reverberation makes the walls seem to disappear. If you play a recording with room ambience included, that is then the only ambience you hear. The apparent "size" of your room changes with each recording.

Much the same experience is heard when listening on good headphones, except the main image is in front of you.



..... Phil

In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 20/11/17 00:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

It's actually quite rare to have a totally electronic recording. Most
have vocals. Many real drums, guitars, and so on. All of which picked
up by microphones in exactly the same way as a classical piece.


Actually, not that rare. EDM.

Of course purely electronic instrumentals exist. But only as a very small
proportion of all recordings.

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