In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 10.26.15 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Swedish Handle? Is that the one you need to start volvos? Brian

I mentioned Johan Roman because although he is one of the most
accomplished baroque composers, he does not seem to be well-known in the
UK.

You shot down my attempt at discussion with a jejune troll. Well,
done! Is it any wonder that UKRA has so few subscribers these days?

Serious sense-of-humour failure on your part, alas.

Perhaps if you knew Brian a bit better from his posts on various groups you
response might have been a bit less pompous and self-important?

Jim

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In article , Iain
wrote:

Tony D'Amato, whom I knew well, was trying to make the loudest and most
spectacular MOR recordings available at that time. He was an excellent
orchestral producer. He used to set up a music stand above the bridge of
the console facing the engineer, where he could see the stereo meter
pair, and give every cue with great clarity. So as an engineer you knew
exactly what was going on in the piece without having to even glance at
your own score.

His exaggerated "fortissimo" and "sforzsando" meant that the engineer
responding to them was in danger of driving the tape into distortion.
So Decca engineers used to align the stereo master recorder 4dB "hot" on
replay, and turn the record level down by a similar amount, So that the
peak levels would appear to be the same. Mr D'Amato soon got wise to
this :-)

Yes, the distortion on the results in some cases does support that, sadly.

Jim

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In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 12.07.07 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:

I confess I had similar reactions to some of the "Living
Presence" CDs. Although there in some cases, from measurements, I'm
not sure to what extent the clipping was during transfer to CD or of
the tape machines.

This predilection for higher levels has always been with us, and is
very much alive today.

Indeed. Alas, it tends to sometimes end up with recordings that go into
saturation or clipping. Which some then take to be even more 'loudness'.

Jim

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In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

FYI to all:

That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

uk.rec.audio is very nearly dead now.

Soon it will be totally extinct.

I would describe your behaviour as psychopathic, and you certainly
make no effort to engage more recent incomers but would rather sling
insults around, much like a monkey throwing faeces.

--
Mike Fleming

keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 15.46.14 UTC+2 Dave Plowman (News) kirjoitti:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

Had a pal who worked for Decca in the day.

:-)) Really?

He reckoned the Phase 4 stuff
was specifically designed to sell to 'Hi-Fi' enthusiasts.

That was understood by everyone, and was part of the marketing strategy. Phase Four were making "spectacular stereo" records for the emerging stereo
hi-fi market. "Pass In Review" is a brilliant example of something
that had never been done before. There was a great deal of interest
from both magazines and the general public to know how these recordings
were made, and Decca included an insert inside every sleeve with a
drawing of the equipment used, and showing how it was connected up.


And rather
frowned upon by those who made the many very good Decca traditional
recordings.'

In this you are wrongly informed. There was no "frowning" by anyone.
Phase Four was a very important contributor to total sales, and
the pop albums by Tom Jones, Englebert Humperdinck, The Moody Blues,
Marmalade etc, the jazz and folk artists, the baroque labels, and even "Transacord" which sold fine stereo recording of steam trains in remarkable numbers, all generated income without which classical projects,
slow to recoup their costs, might not have been brought to fruition.

Interestingly, the Phase Four engineers also recorded excellent classical albums with Leopold Stokowsky, Bernard Hermann, Henry Lewis,
Stanley Black, Sir Peter Maxwell Davis, Christopher Hogwood etc etc The classical staff rarely if ever crossed over to the light music side.

Iain

Mike Fleming wrote:

--------------------

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

FYI to all:

That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

uk.rec.audio is very nearly dead now.

Soon it will be totally extinct.

I would describe your behaviour as psychopathic,



** Proving beyond any doubt what a know nothing moron you are.

I post solid technical stuff you simply cannot comprehend.

Plowman is a monstrous charlatan and vile egomaniac.

This NG is ****ed and so are YOU.



..... Phil

In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 15.46.14 UTC+2 Dave Plowman (News)
kirjoitti:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Had a pal who worked for Decca in the day.

:-)) Really?

Well, "Really" bad attribution, in fact. Given that I wrote none of what
was in the email content you quoted! :-)

Jim

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 12.07.07 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:

I confess I had similar reactions to some of the "Living
Presence" CDs. Although there in some cases, from measurements, I'm
not sure to what extent the clipping was during transfer to CD or of
the tape machines.

This predilection for higher levels has always been with us, and is
very much alive today.

Indeed. Alas, it tends to sometimes end up with recordings that go into
saturation or clipping. Which some then take to be even more 'loudness'.

It's something I've never understood. If something is too loud, I turn it
down. Too quiet, turn it up. Pretty well all equipment has a volume
control. Unless you are recording muzak where the listener has no control
over the final level - or pop stuff for a jukebox.

It's almost as if those who indulge in this loudness war are never
actually a 'normal' listener to such things.

--
*Some days we are the flies; some days we are the windscreen.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Mike Fleming wrote:
In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

FYI to all:

That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but
actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

uk.rec.audio is very nearly dead now.

Soon it will be totally extinct.

I would describe your behaviour as psychopathic, and you certainly
make no effort to engage more recent incomers but would rather sling
insults around, much like a monkey throwing faeces.

Surely the idea of a newsgroup is to discuss things? Perfectly possible to
disagree without throwing your toys out of the pram.

--
*I did a theatrical performance about puns. It was a play on words.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 11.24.33 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 10.26.15 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Swedish Handle? Is that the one you need to start volvos? Brian

I mentioned Johan Roman because although he is one of the most
accomplished baroque composers, he does not seem to be well-known in the
UK.

You shot down my attempt at discussion with a jejune troll. Well,
done! Is it any wonder that UKRA has so few subscribers these days?

Serious sense-of-humour failure on your part, alas.

Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the UK ?
If so, it is clear that the pound sterling and the health service are not
the only things there in serious decline :-)

Iain