Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.

Does anyone own Adams speakers ?. Are they any good ?.

lauantai 22. heinäkuuta 2017 19.29.12 UTC+3 Andrew kirjoitti:


Does anyone own Adams speakers ?. Are they any good ?.

Yes I know Adams, or rather I know one of their products, the S2V two-way active "nearfield monitor" I have mixed a couple of titles with them. Adams also make a three way. I was tempted to try them.

Iain

Talking of motional feedback speakers, I did listen to some of the Philips
ones once. My main issue with them was they sounded bland. its all very well
trying to use the sound from a cone to stop it from going badly wrong, but
if you took this to extremes it would in the end be completely silent. its a
kind of servo.

No did not like the sound.
Brian

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Does anyone own Adams speakers ?. Are they any good ?.

Yes I know Adams, or rather I know one of their products, the S2V two-way
active "nearfield monitor" I have mixed a couple of titles with them. Adams
also make a three way. I was tempted to try them.

Iain

Andrew wrote:

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Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.


** There is a Wiki on nearly everything now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

This one is quite extensive.



...... Phil

sunnuntai 23. heinäkuuta 2017 4.56.33 UTC+3 Phil Allison kirjoitti:
Andrew wrote:

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Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.


** There is a Wiki on nearly everything now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

This one is quite extensive.

I have just looked at the Thomann website. They seem to have the whole range. Yes they are expensive.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?bf=&sw=adam

Iain

Iain Churches wrote:

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Phil Allison


Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.


** There is a Wiki on nearly everything now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

This one is quite extensive.

I have just looked at the Thomann website. They seem to have the whole range. Yes they are expensive.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?bf=&sw=adam


** Seems most models use their "ART ribbon tweeter" which turns out to be a resurrection of Oskar Heil's famous "Air Motion Transformer".

https://www.adam-audio.com/en/

See section headed "German Audio Engineering".

I had the opportunity to do some tests on one of Oskar's gadgets in the late 1980s. I used 4 cycle tone bursts and picked up the output with an AKG CK2 omni condenser mic and viewed it on a scope. Of course, I simply listened to sine waves at various frequencies too.

The strange contraption produced obvious, spurious outputs that were not part of the input. Harmonic and non harmonics of the input sine frequency as well as extra cycles and even whole bursts at frequencies above 10kHz.

IME most dome tweeters perform as well or better, good ones much better.

The tweeter part of a Quad ESL57 eats it for breakfast - I owned a pair at the time.

In a word "harsh".

Very.


..... Phil

Yes, I tend to feel listening to modern speakers that my tannoys tweeters
have some excitable upper harmonics, probably due to the horn bit.
However cheap speakers do not have to sound crappy, and neither do
expensive ones. There were a few months ago at least some with the strange
name of Beng, which sound pretty good at normal domestic levels to me. OK
they are not going to be used in a studio but for 70 quid, I mean they are
better than most bundled middi stereo ones.
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Phil Allison


Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.


** There is a Wiki on nearly everything now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_monitor

This one is quite extensive.

I have just looked at the Thomann website. They seem to have the whole
range. Yes they are expensive.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/search_dir.html?bf=&sw=adam


** Seems most models use their "ART ribbon tweeter" which turns out to be a
resurrection of Oskar Heil's famous "Air Motion Transformer".

https://www.adam-audio.com/en/

See section headed "German Audio Engineering".

I had the opportunity to do some tests on one of Oskar's gadgets in the late
1980s. I used 4 cycle tone bursts and picked up the output with an AKG CK2
omni condenser mic and viewed it on a scope. Of course, I simply listened to
sine waves at various frequencies too.

The strange contraption produced obvious, spurious outputs that were not
part of the input. Harmonic and non harmonics of the input sine frequency as
well as extra cycles and even whole bursts at frequencies above 10kHz.

IME most dome tweeters perform as well or better, good ones much better.

The tweeter part of a Quad ESL57 eats it for breakfast - I owned a pair at
the time.

In a word "harsh".

Very.


..... Phil

On Sunday, 23 July 2017 08:36:56 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
In a word "harsh".

But in a magazine review, where the speaker manufacturer is an advertiser, "detailed and analytical"

Owain

On Monday, 31 July 2017 22:47:57 UTC+3, wrote:
On Sunday, 23 July 2017 08:36:56 UTC+1, Phil Allison wrote:
In a word "harsh".

But in a magazine review, where the speaker manufacturer is an advertiser, "detailed and analytical"

Some weeks ago, before the JBL L100s were mentioned here, I had the opportunity to borrow a pristine pair with a view to purchase. One still seems them in some quite salubrious places, and a colleague of mine has a pair, so I thought I would give them a try.

They are indeed "bright" but for 60s/70s jazz they take some beating. This pair is perfect except that the front grilles have seen better days. I got new grilles made, and stuck cardboard discs, about the size of a Euro coin, inside the grille, in front of the tweeter and mid range unit. This attenuates the brightness. I very much like the detail and good stereo staging.

Tonight, I listened to the Buddy Rich album "Big Swing Face" on them. It's an album I know well. I enjoyed it immensely.

Iain

I always thought that the generic term of monitor speaker was one that
sounded like it was the real sounds. It certainly seems to have meant that
in studios. However speakers that on paper are flat can often sound awful
and speakers with lumpy responses can sound nice.
As for no fronts. Many speakers were made like this. A stupid idea as in
normal household use they can easily get damaged. Celestion JBL and many
others have made them like this in the past.
Most rock engineers like a forward mid to treble as they are deaf. Then
they get the balance right for the rest of us.

As for the Addams family of speakers, do you need to feed those with Monster
cables perhaps?
Brian

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Somewhere, I read an article about a musician (maybe) and
he was asked what his favourite gadgets were.

One on his replies was his Adams monitor speakers.

This seems to be a German company and the only thing I
can see is that they don't have grilles at the front
(so how do you keep the dust out ?). They seem to have
an unusual tweeter, not the usual cone arrangement.

Other than that, what is the difference between one
and a 'normal' speaker.

Does anyone own Adams speakers ?. Are they any good ?.