"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
The one and only time I've cut clicks out of an LP was on one even the
various broadcast libraries couldn't find another of. It was for an ITV
schools' broadcast with no budget to have it specially recorded. Won an
international Emmy too - but not for the music. ;-)

I make digital transcriptions for various reasons.

1) To remove clicks from old LPs.

2) To avoid the need to have to play the same LP again, risking added wear
to my ancient Shure styli, etc.

3) Convenience of being able to play the results in rooms where I don't
have the record deck.


Cleaning the LP thoroughly in advance and
using a "wet transfer" greatly reduces the
number of clicks and ticks, and greatly reduces
the surface noise.

Iain

On 13/01/2017 12:24, Iain Churches wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
The one and only time I've cut clicks out of an LP was on one even the
various broadcast libraries couldn't find another of. It was for an ITV
schools' broadcast with no budget to have it specially recorded. Won an
international Emmy too - but not for the music. ;-)

I make digital transcriptions for various reasons.

1) To remove clicks from old LPs.

2) To avoid the need to have to play the same LP again, risking added wear
to my ancient Shure styli, etc.

3) Convenience of being able to play the results in rooms where I don't
have the record deck.


Cleaning the LP thoroughly in advance and
using a "wet transfer" greatly reduces the
number of clicks and ticks, and greatly reduces
the surface noise.


What is recommended these days for the wet transfer, just distilled water?

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 13/01/2017 12:24, Iain Churches wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
The one and only time I've cut clicks out of an LP was on one even the
various broadcast libraries couldn't find another of. It was for an ITV
schools' broadcast with no budget to have it specially recorded. Won an
international Emmy too - but not for the music. ;-)

I make digital transcriptions for various reasons.

1) To remove clicks from old LPs.

2) To avoid the need to have to play the same LP again, risking added
wear
to my ancient Shure styli, etc.

3) Convenience of being able to play the results in rooms where I don't
have the record deck.


Cleaning the LP thoroughly in advance and
using a "wet transfer" greatly reduces the
number of clicks and ticks, and greatly reduces
the surface noise.


What is recommended these days for the wet transfer, just distilled water?


Lots of concoctions seem to be in use.
Distilled water is probably the safest and
works quite well.

A pal of mine, ex BBC Transcription Service,
had his own recipe. He referred to the
commercially available alternatives as
"audio solvents":-)


Iain






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"Huge" wrote in message
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FWIW, I use 90% distilled water (not de-ionised), 10% isopropyl alcohol
and a few drops of photographic wetting agent (2.5ml in a litre).

That's not far removed from my own recipe.
But being fonder of cooking than I am of photogaphy,
I replace the wetting agent with a tiny drop of
Fairy Liquid.

Although doesn't wet playing (which I have been doing for decades without
problems) cause steam to come out of some purists ears? (Win/win, then,
in my book.)

Yes, it does upset some people.
Others have told me that once you play an LP
with a prorietary wet transfer liquid, you can no
longer play it dry.

There seem to be variations on the way people
perform wet transfer also. I prefer a well-cleaned
disc. I then start the turntable and paint the first
track of the disc with a very soft paintbrush.
I then lower the arm to start the transcriptions
and paint ahead about 3cms.

Iain

Jim Lesurf said:
Richard Robinson wrote:

I didn't get rid of all the vinyl, I kept the ones with sleevenotes
containing info I might possibly want but couldn't face typing up.
...
You should keep the LPs. In my view, owning them is in a sense a 'key' to
being able to play the digitised version in moral terms.

Ah. I missed that point, didn't think of it. It is a point.

And at some future point there is a risk you'll need the LP anyway.

The ones I passed on were the ones where I don't foresee that. I can't see
any reason except for the sleevenote info, and they were pretty mainstream
stuff, where the info's highly likely to be available courtesy of the 'net
if I ever need it (which I don't see as particularly likely). The ones I
kept were mostly the obscurities that never made it onto CD - little 70s/80s
Swedish traditional-music labels, and the like.

The final link in my personal chain was when the price of "enough" USB
storage dropped below £50. I have a copy of Everything in my pocket.


--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Huge said:
On 2017-01-13, Graeme Wall wrote:

What is recommended these days for the wet transfer, just distilled water?

FWIW, I use 90% distilled water (not de-ionised), 10% isopropyl alcohol
and a few drops of photographic wetting agent (2.5ml in a litre).

Where can one find isopropanol, these days ? I went into a local "chemist" a
few months ago and asked, they looked at me like I was demented.

Which may be a fair point, but not relevant here.

Although doesn't wet playing (which I have been doing for decades without
problems) cause steam to come out of some purists ears? (Win/win, then,
in my book.)

Sounds like a lot of friction.


--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 13/01/2017 13:14, Huge wrote:
On 2017-01-13, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 13/01/2017 12:24, Iain Churches wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
The one and only time I've cut clicks out of an LP was on one even the
various broadcast libraries couldn't find another of. It was for an ITV
schools' broadcast with no budget to have it specially recorded. Won an
international Emmy too - but not for the music. ;-)

I make digital transcriptions for various reasons.

1) To remove clicks from old LPs.

2) To avoid the need to have to play the same LP again, risking added wear
to my ancient Shure styli, etc.

3) Convenience of being able to play the results in rooms where I don't
have the record deck.


Cleaning the LP thoroughly in advance and
using a "wet transfer" greatly reduces the
number of clicks and ticks, and greatly reduces
the surface noise.


What is recommended these days for the wet transfer, just distilled water?

FWIW, I use 90% distilled water (not de-ionised), 10% isopropyl alcohol
and a few drops of photographic wetting agent (2.5ml in a litre).

Thanks


Although doesn't wet playing (which I have been doing for decades without
problems) cause steam to come out of some purists ears? (Win/win, then,
in my book.)



IME anything to do with sound reproduction is going to cause steam to
come out of someones' ears :-)


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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-01-13, Iain Churches wrote:

I always thought Fairy Liquid had salt in it as a thickener, which
deposits onto the record surface, although looking at the material
safety sheet, I could well be wrong.

With the tiniest drop of Fairy to a litre of solution,
I wonder, if there is any salt, how much it can affect the result?

I have made wet-transcriptions that did not need any further
work on the DAW.

These days, many new, limited-edition pressings,
on 180gm vinyl are pristine.


Although doesn't wet playing (which I have been doing for decades
without
problems) cause steam to come out of some purists ears? (Win/win, then,
in my book.)

Yes, it does upset some people.
Others have told me that once you play an LP
with a prorietary wet transfer liquid, you can no
longer play it dry.

And they're right. The surface noise levels go up considerably, I assume
because gunge that was previously in the bottom of the groove has now
been distributed over the groove walls.

A peep through a microscope before and after might be
revealing.

I've never seen any evidence
of this, partly because it's hard to find any through the blizzard
of saliva-splattered ranting about how evil wet playing is.


:-)


Iain

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:35:17 -0600, Richard Robinson
wrote:

Huge said:
On 2017-01-13, Graeme Wall wrote:

What is recommended these days for the wet transfer, just distilled water?

FWIW, I use 90% distilled water (not de-ionised), 10% isopropyl alcohol
and a few drops of photographic wetting agent (2.5ml in a litre).

Where can one find isopropanol, these days ? I went into a local "chemist" a
few months ago and asked, they looked at me like I was demented.

Which may be a fair point, but not relevant here.

Although doesn't wet playing (which I have been doing for decades without
problems) cause steam to come out of some purists ears? (Win/win, then,
in my book.)

Sounds like a lot of friction.

I think Radiospares have it.

d

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On 13/01/2017 13:29, Iain Churches wrote:

There seem to be variations on the way people
perform wet transfer also. I prefer a well-cleaned
disc. I then start the turntable and paint the first
track of the disc with a very soft paintbrush.
I then lower the arm to start the transcriptions
and paint ahead about 3cms.

Doesn't it make your thorn soggy?

As for wetting agent, I use a drop of Windolene because washing up liquid
leave the midrange rather smeary. :-)

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Eiron.