On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:00 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:45:43 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


OK, Tony, here's my next door neighbour and very good friend Maurice:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...e%20fisher.jpg


Talking 'not posh' (he says he doesn't do 'posh'! :-) thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-B.wav


(A and B naming convention is consistent with the previous recordings.)



Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?

d

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?

Perhaps it doesn't like DC up it. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:00 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:45:43 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


OK, Tony, here's my next door neighbour and very good friend Maurice:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...e%20fisher.jpg


Talking 'not posh' (he says he doesn't do 'posh'! :-) thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-B.wav


(A and B naming convention is consistent with the previous recordings.)



Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?


Yes, but what's odd about it? Anyway, can't wait for Tony, so:

Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is the Samson. On my
setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny by comparison but the 'sax player'
has picked it as best a few times now which is why I posted the comparison.

Here's Maurice's granddaughters - bilingual at the age of six, due to having
a Spanish mother:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Girls01.wav


So, which mic was that on then?

Answers on a postcard....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is the Samson. On
my setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny by comparison but the 'sax
player' has picked it as best a few times now which is why I posted the
comparison.

I don't know what a 'Samson' is. Another pre-amp?

Are you wanting a comparison between mics or trying to make some point
about your marvellous valve pre-amp? If so it will be the cheap mic
through the valve pre-amp and the expensive mic through some nasty solid
state one. And whatever else you can do to persuade others that valves
have some magic properties...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:51:45 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:00 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:45:43 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


OK, Tony, here's my next door neighbour and very good friend Maurice:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...e%20fisher.jpg


Talking 'not posh' (he says he doesn't do 'posh'! :-) thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-B.wav


(A and B naming convention is consistent with the previous recordings.)



Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?


Yes, but what's odd about it? Anyway, can't wait for Tony, so:

Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is the Samson. On my
setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny by comparison but the 'sax player'
has picked it as best a few times now which is why I posted the comparison.

Here's Maurice's granddaughters - bilingual at the age of six, due to having
a Spanish mother:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Girls01.wav


So, which mic was that on then?

Answers on a postcard....


The pre-amp has problems, possibly related to that DC. The girls are
on the Sampson.

d

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is
the Samson. On my setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny
by comparison but the 'sax player' has picked it as best
a few times now which is why I posted the comparison.

I don't know what a 'Samson' is. Another pre-amp?

I think Keith's Samson is a USB mic, probably a C01U but I'm not sure of
that as there are now a number of other USB models.

Intersestingly enough I actually have quite a bit of experience with C01,
and they are really quite good, especially for the low price. I use a
more-or-less coincident pair of them to mic the center of our church's
choir. Not the USB models though, the phantom-powered versions.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:51:45 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:00 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:45:43 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


OK, Tony, here's my next door neighbour and very good friend Maurice:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...e%20fisher.jpg


Talking 'not posh' (he says he doesn't do 'posh'! :-) thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-B.wav


(A and B naming convention is consistent with the previous recordings.)



Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?


Yes, but what's odd about it? Anyway, can't wait for Tony, so:

Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is the Samson. On my
setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny by comparison but the 'sax player'
has picked it as best a few times now which is why I posted the
comparison.

Here's Maurice's granddaughters - bilingual at the age of six, due to
having
a Spanish mother:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Girls01.wav


So, which mic was that on then?

Answers on a postcard....


The pre-amp has problems, possibly related to that DC.


Yet the manufacturers say it shouldn't affect the signal or the pre??

Anyhow, it must be me but I prefer the Neumann/tubey pre result but then
that's probably because I know what it is and what it cost!

It does seem I'm in the minority here, though.


The girls are
on the Sampson.


Correct, they are.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:51:45 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:58:00 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 15:45:43 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


OK, Tony, here's my next door neighbour and very good friend Maurice:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/shown...e%20fisher.jpg


Talking 'not posh' (he says he doesn't do 'posh'! :-) thus:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-A.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Maurice-B.wav


(A and B naming convention is consistent with the previous recordings.)



Not going to chooses "better" for the simple reason that I've never
heard Maurice speak, but I'm going to say that mic A is not handling
this as well as B.

d

Are you by any chance using that odd valve pre-amp on the Neumann?


Yes, but what's odd about it? Anyway, can't wait for Tony, so:

Maurice-A is the Neumann and the tubey pre; Maurice-B is the Samson. On my
setup the Samson sounds slightly tinny by comparison but the 'sax player'
has picked it as best a few times now which is why I posted the
comparison.

Here's Maurice's granddaughters - bilingual at the age of six, due to
having
a Spanish mother:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Girls01.wav


So, which mic was that on then?

Answers on a postcard....


The pre-amp has problems, possibly related to that DC.


Yet the manufacturers say it shouldn't affect the signal or the pre??

Anyhow, it must be me but I prefer the Neumann/tubey pre result but then
that's probably because I know what it is and what it cost!

It does seem I'm in the minority here, though.


The girls are
on the Sampson.


Correct, they are.

"Keith G" wrote


It is a C03U multi-pattern and I reckon it's rather good, but the problem
with it is I get such a tiny signal from it connected direct to the
computer and can't see any way of increasing it before recording. Should I
be using some sort of pre-amplification or is it better to jack up the
levels in the recording - I'm having to increase the signal at least
+6dB..??


Sorry, that's a little vague!

What I mean is I have to pump up the *recorded* signal in the recording
software (Sound Forge) *after* the recording has been made.

That any better?

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I don't know what a 'Samson' is. Another pre-amp?



Must be blind or (more likely) hasn't read the posts - in the *second*
post I said:

"Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price
of the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!"

Your signal to noise ratio is so poor it's not surprising important stuff
gets missed.

However, the principle still applies. To compare two of anything
meaningfully, everything else must be the same.

--
*Does fuzzy logic tickle? *

Dave Plowman London SW
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