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"Arny Krueger" wrote


you watch ads? Your DVR is incapable of FF past them?


What DVR? Get with the programme, Arny - I watch selected TV recordings as
mpegs on a 'dedicated' Acer Revo computer piped out via HDMI to a DLP
projector. I have hundreds stacked on hard drives, waiting to go and I can
skip the ads (where there are ads) with a click or two on the progress bar
but sometimes they take my attention. Picture and sound quality (SS
amp/Buschhorn Mk2 speakers) on UK stuff is generally excellent (DVD
quality) - US not so good.

The same setup is used for the BBC iPlayer and the comparatively kludgy
ITV Player - also freebie movies from LoveFilm from time to time. About
the only thing I watch real time is the news - and even that's behind the
'Net!!


It is quite possible the Rock and Roll CD set was being advertised on the
ITV Player - you can't FF or skip through the ads. A small price to pay for
convenience of having a large number of recorded programmes on tap for free
and saved on someone else's disk space....

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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If you haven't noticed, its not the polycarbonate that
people buy and listen to, its the bits. It's the bits
that laid waste to the LP market. Matters not whether
the bits are on polycarbonate or the web, its the bits
that almost all of us listen to.

That, as I see it, Arny, is the basic flaw in your whole
approach.People listen to the music, not the medium.

That was my point. That you feel the need to correct it Iain shows how
poor your reading comprehension actually is.


No Arny, in your usual haste to make some smartarse snide remark, you miss
the point Iain's making - that people other than yourself don't have the
violently phobic reaction to any mention of a certain medium that you do.

The phrase 'get a life' is always in my mind when I read the responses of a
small few here...

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Not with me it's not, my turntable is a twenty quid Lenco
L72 with a plinth I made from kitchen worktop offcuts -
see the larger of the two here, the smaller one is a
kitchen worktop sample plinth:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Lencoze.JPG

It has been a very long time since I saw a Lenco of that vintage.

Substantial numbers of them never made the trip across the pond to the US.
After my personal experiences with them in Germany, I know why.


Hmm, I suspect you would need more than one lifetime to cover all the
equipment you claim, Arny - Bosendorfers, Lencos and every other thing that
gets a mention here....

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In contrast, the sales of CD have dwindled to such an
extent that HMV have announced the closure of 60
retail outlets,

So there has not been a strong transition of CD sales
from brick-and-mortar local store to superstore and web
in Europe, as there has been in the US?

Indeed there has. If you were a European you would know
that HMV *is* the superstore, or one of them, with
incredible stocks, and very knowledgeable and helpful
sales personel. No on-line outlet can offer this level of
friendly service and expertise.

If there are 60 of them in a place the size of the UK, then they are not
what we recognize as superstores in the US.

The statement was that 60 were to be closed, not that there were 60.
Certainly in the not too distant past there was an HMV in the high street of
almost every medium sized town as well as serveral in the larger towns and
cities. I've no idea how many are left, but with the move of much of the CD
and DVD market to on-line retailers (fuelled, as Jim has explained by the
Channel Island tax loop-hole) coupled with the rise of the download has
dealt a body-blow to high-street music retailers.

I don't quite know what you mean by "superstores". Do you mean specialist
music and video "superstores"? or do you mean general superstores that sell
pretty much everything? If the former then I don't think we have them in the
UK, HMV would have been the nearest approximation. If the later, yes we have
Tesco, Sainsburys, Asda and Morrisons who between them have most of the UK
market in food, plus a considerable share of the market in clothes and
houshold goods. They have also moved into things like insurance and
financial services. And yes, those stores sell "chart" CDs and DVDs too.

No such thing as anything like a Best Buy or Wal Mart
"Big box" store in Europe that wipes out neighborhood
stores for miles around?

Absolutely. Tesco in particular have been very effective in doing that. A
small town near me is currently mounting a rear-guard action to try to stop
Tesco building a superstore there because the townsfolk know that it will
destroy much of the high-street. But these big companies have considerable
resources and know how to get round the planners.

David.

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In contrast, the sales of CD have dwindled to such an
extent that HMV have announced the closure of 60
retail outlets,

So there has not been a strong transition of CD sales
from brick-and-mortar local store to superstore and web
in Europe, as there has been in the US?

Indeed there has. If you were a European you would know
that HMV *is* the superstore, or one of them, with
incredible stocks, and very knowledgeable and helpful
sales personel. No on-line outlet can offer this level
of friendly service and expertise.

If there are 60 of them in a place the size of the UK,
then they are not what we recognize as superstores in
the US.

The statement was that 60 were to be closed, not that
there were 60.

Well, give it a little thought. if 60 were closed, then there were
originally at least 60, and that in no way changes the nature of my comment.

Certainly in the not too distant past
there was an HMV in the high street of almost every
medium sized town as well as serveral in the larger towns
and cities. I've no idea how many are left, but with the
move of much of the CD and DVD market to on-line
retailers (fuelled, as Jim has explained by the Channel
Island tax loop-hole) coupled with the rise of the
download has dealt a body-blow to high-street music
retailers.

My point is that that closing 60 3,000 square foot stores is no biggie, but
closing 60 100,000 square foot stores is a big thing.

In the US we pretty well managed to close down *all* of our recorded media
retail outlets but the superstores of which there are only a few dozen of
in even the largest states. We didn't even have a Channel Island tax or
anything like it. It was all about people getting their media online
because of the convenience. I think that the rise of media rental had
something to do with that. It is not easy to quantify, but the DVD is a
natural enemy of the CD.

Netflix is cutting a big swath through the DVD rental stores. Come to think
of it, the square footage of retail media stores that closed was pretty well
offset by the square footage of DVD rental stores that were opening at about
the same time.

I don't quite know what you mean by "superstores".

Stores with on the order of 100,000 square feet or more. AKA "Big Box
Stores".

Do you mean specialist music and video "superstores"?

Our typical big box store or superstore is specialized to a degree. For
example Best Buy sells and Circuit City sold audio and video hardware, and
computers and pre-recorded media. Our big box home improvement stores sell
construction materials. Our big box discount stores (Wal Mart, Target)
sell food, clothing, and household items.

or do you
mean general superstores that sell pretty much
everything?

I've visited some Hypermost's in Germany about 40 years ago and they seemed
to be more generalized than our big box stores.

If the former then I don't think we have them
in the UK, HMV would have been the nearest approximation.

I get the feeling that HMV would be like a Sam Goodies (RIP).

If the later, yes we have Tesco, Sainsburys, Asda and
Morrisons who between them have most of the UK market in
food, plus a considerable share of the market in clothes
and houshold goods.

I think those are like Walmarts, Kmarts, and Target's.

ey have also moved into things like
insurance and financial services.

We've had concessions selling those kinds of things in big box stores for a
long time.

and yes, those stores
sell "chart" CDs and DVDs too.

Ditto. Walmart and Target sell media, but not on the scale of Best Buy and
RIP Circuit City.

No such thing as anything like a Best Buy or Wal Mart
"Big box" store in Europe that wipes out neighborhood
stores for miles around?

Absolutely. Tesco in particular have been very effective
in doing that. A small town near me is currently mounting
a rear-guard action to try to stop Tesco building a
superstore there because the townsfolk know that it will
destroy much of the high-street. But these big companies
have considerable resources and know how to get round the
planners.

A number of small towns and cities have tried to keep Walmart out, but they
don't have a lot of legal legs to stand on. It is an interesting factoid
that Walmart's lower margins and prices tend to end up raising the effective
standard of living where they move in.

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Not with me it's not, my turntable is a twenty quid
Lenco L72 with a plinth I made from kitchen worktop
offcuts - see the larger of the two here, the smaller
one is a kitchen worktop sample plinth:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Lencoze.JPG

It has been a very long time since I saw a Lenco of that
vintage.

Substantial numbers of them never made the trip across
the pond to the US. After my personal experiences with
them in Germany, I know why.

Hmm, I suspect you would need more than one lifetime to
cover all the equipment you claim, Arny - Bosendorfers,
Lencos and every other thing that gets a mention here....

It has a lot to do with the rate at which you live. ;-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message


Not with me it's not, my turntable is a twenty quid
Lenco L72 with a plinth I made from kitchen worktop
offcuts - see the larger of the two here, the smaller
one is a kitchen worktop sample plinth:
http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/Lencoze.JPG

It has been a very long time since I saw a Lenco of that
vintage.

Substantial numbers of them never made the trip across
the pond to the US. After my personal experiences with
them in Germany, I know why.

Hmm, I suspect you would need more than one lifetime to
cover all the equipment you claim, Arny - Bosendorfers,
Lencos and every other thing that gets a mention here....

It has a lot to do with the rate at which you live. ;-)



Whadda guy, eh?

I'll smoke you a kipper! :-)


(See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZsTzNmrlE for an explanation, if you
need one.)

"Arny Krueger" wrote

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I was going to answer you point by point, but frankly I can't be bothered.
Suffice it to say that your reply seems merely to be an excercise in
self-justification which does you no merit.

David.

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David Looser wrote:

Modern turntables work no better than those of the
1970s,

I would be interested to know, David, have you even seen,
let alone auditioned, a Verdier or SME?

This one is very easy to figure out.


Don't tell me Arny. You have one of each model in the SME
and Verdier range, stowed away under your Bosendorfer:-)))


Iain

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David Looser wrote:

Modern turntables work no better than those of the 1970s,

I would be interested to know, David, have you even seen,
let alone auditioned, a Verdier or SME?

No, I have seen neither. Indeed I've never even heard of a Verdier and,
whilst I am familiar with SME arms, I was not aware that they also made
turntables.

But say I had "auditioned" these turntables, what would that prove, unless I
had been able to compare them with every TT made in the 1970s? There are
many fine turntables dating from the 1970s which are still in use and whose
owners will claim sound every bit as good as anything more recent.

My claim "Modern turntables work no better than those of the 1970s" is based
on the fact that modern turntables work no differently from those of the
1970s. The TT is far from high-tech, on the contrary it's a very simple
machine whose requirements has been well understood for over half a century.
If you are claiming that mechanical engineering has improved dramatically in
recent years I suggest you look at some of the machines the Victorians
built. In view of the well-known performance limitations of the vinyl medium
even you must accept that there must be a point of perfection in TTs beyond
which no audible improvement will be apparent. I suggest this point was
reached by 1980 at the latest.

So if you want to claim that modern TTs sound better than those of 40 years
ago I suggest that some evidence would help your cause. I don't mean
personal anecdotes, but a properly conducted listening test.

[BTW a properly conducted listening test includes the following
requirements: listening panel of at least a dozen, preferably more.
Listeners to know nothing about the test in advance (i.e.. they don't know
they are listening to turntables, let alone which ones), Each listener
listens on their own to avoid influencing each other, order of presentation
to vary with each listener to avoid precedence effects and inclusion of
'trick' comparisons (e.g., both A and B are the same TT) to see how much
listeners are subconsciously trying to provide the answers they think are
expected.]

I look forward to seeing the results of your test in due course Iain.

David.