
April 26th 05, 08:16 PM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:34 +0100, "Keith G"
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OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test 'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
Mmmmm....
Perhaps I'll stick to CDs.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
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April 26th 05, 08:34 PM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:10:51 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote
OK - I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think cart No 3 is the
dearest.
And I'm changing my order now.
No. 2 is second dearest
No. 1 is the cheapest.
How close am I?
OK Don, go again with these longer tracks. The carts have remained the
same
(1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3):
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2001.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2002.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2003.mp3
(You'll have to match the levels yourself, if you need to - I've no idea
how
to do it!! :-)
Not such easy music. The main differences I was hearing were in the
highs - which this is a bit lacking. But I still think that number one
is a bit thin, with something uncomfortable going on high up. 2 is
just a bit dull, and 3 sounds good.
Now come on, tell me how much money I could have saved with my choice
between these three.
OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test 'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
Ok - you're just going to have to trust me on this :-)
Overall - all good, superb pitch.
1) Smooth, natural, wonderful 'rolling' of the piano, depth;
2) and 3) I couldn't distinguish, slightly clangy, 2 dimensional, bit
more surface noise.
I preferred (1), but I really thought one of the others was more
expensive - 'higher information retrieval' type thing.
Rob
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April 26th 05, 08:38 PM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:34:32 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote:
Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:10:51 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote
OK - I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think cart No 3 is the
dearest.
And I'm changing my order now.
No. 2 is second dearest
No. 1 is the cheapest.
How close am I?
OK Don, go again with these longer tracks. The carts have remained the
same
(1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3):
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2001.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2002.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2003.mp3
(You'll have to match the levels yourself, if you need to - I've no idea
how
to do it!! :-)
Not such easy music. The main differences I was hearing were in the
highs - which this is a bit lacking. But I still think that number one
is a bit thin, with something uncomfortable going on high up. 2 is
just a bit dull, and 3 sounds good.
Now come on, tell me how much money I could have saved with my choice
between these three.
OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test 'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
Ok - you're just going to have to trust me on this :-)
Overall - all good, superb pitch.
1) Smooth, natural, wonderful 'rolling' of the piano, depth;
2) and 3) I couldn't distinguish, slightly clangy, 2 dimensional, bit
more surface noise.
I preferred (1), but I really thought one of the others was more
expensive - 'higher information retrieval' type thing.
Rob
Sorry Rob, but a sighted opinion after the event counts for nothing.
And as for pitch, that is set by the turntable, not the cartridge.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
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April 26th 05, 09:21 PM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:34:32 +0000 (UTC), Rob
wrote:
Keith G wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:10:51 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote
OK - I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think cart No 3 is the
dearest.
And I'm changing my order now.
No. 2 is second dearest
No. 1 is the cheapest.
How close am I?
OK Don, go again with these longer tracks. The carts have remained the
same
(1 = 1, 2 = 2, 3 = 3):
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2001.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2002.mp3
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cart%2003.mp3
(You'll have to match the levels yourself, if you need to - I've no idea
how
to do it!! :-)
Not such easy music. The main differences I was hearing were in the
highs - which this is a bit lacking. But I still think that number one
is a bit thin, with something uncomfortable going on high up. 2 is
just a bit dull, and 3 sounds good.
Now come on, tell me how much money I could have saved with my choice
between these three.
OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test 'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
Ok - you're just going to have to trust me on this :-)
Overall - all good, superb pitch.
1) Smooth, natural, wonderful 'rolling' of the piano, depth;
2) and 3) I couldn't distinguish, slightly clangy, 2 dimensional, bit
more surface noise.
I preferred (1), but I really thought one of the others was more
expensive - 'higher information retrieval' type thing.
Rob
Sorry Rob, but a sighted opinion after the event counts for nothing.
Well, it wasn't sighted - I listened and transcribed the notes I had
made *before* reading the post. Although, as I said, you don't have to
trust me!
And as for pitch, that is set by the turntable, not the cartridge.
Thanks, I gathered cartridge type and tracking weight have little
influence over pitch. Although I have read otherwise, and an engineer
did once explain to me the (apparently) enormous forces at play (over my
head again*) - I just threw the comment in as an overall observation.
Rob
* IIRC, something to do with the small surface area of the stylus.
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April 27th 05, 12:06 AM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test
'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
OK, that didn't happen - I'd left the Stanton on the tonearm (3rd and last
one used...) and Nigel spotted it from across the room. (He goes clubbin' a
lot* and can tell a Stanton at midnight on a foggy day from a hundred yards,
facing in the wrong direction, apparently!! :-)
See second from the right in this pic:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/carts.jpg
Anyway, *sighted* he picked the M95 (No. 2) and has stuck with this one for
months now - no matter how I try to throw him off the scent. I finally got
him to listen to the MP3s off the computer where he hadn't got a clue which
was which.....
.....and he still picked the M95!!
After much chopping and swapping of headshells with the mandatory fag break
every 10 minutes, see:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/fagends.jpg
....the £325 V15 came bottom of the pile every time. On a lot *stronger*
material (12 inch 45s!!) the Stanton faired better and the bass put it ahead
of the others at times. (This is a twenty quid cartridge FFS!!)
* Whaaaat....??? :-)
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April 27th 05, 12:20 AM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
"Rob" wrote
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test
'for real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
Ok - you're just going to have to trust me on this :-)
Overall - all good, superb pitch.
1) Smooth, natural, wonderful 'rolling' of the piano, depth;
2) and 3) I couldn't distinguish, slightly clangy, 2 dimensional, bit more
surface noise.
I preferred (1), but I really thought one of the others was more
expensive - 'higher information retrieval' type thing.
Thanks for the input Rob - the interesting thing is the 'money cart' doesn't
exactly romp it and the 'cheap as chips' DJ cart is way short of being
totally outclassed in a comparison of similar examples.
Simple conclusion? V15 = 'classical', Stanton = 'techno', M95 = everything
else!!
(Easy innit? :-)
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April 27th 05, 07:33 AM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:06:24 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
OK, you've certainly picked well on the money front, but I'm not sure
'audiophiles' would approve!!
No 1 = Shure V15 Mk V xMR = £325 current RRP
No 2 = Shure M95EDM = about £25-50 off eBay and about 30 years old.
No3 = Stanton 500 Mk II = £20 brand new or about £5-10 off eBay!! (A 'DJ'
cart!! ;-)
So you would have saved about £320 - just goes to show, dunnit!! :-)
Me mate Shiny Nigel's just pulled up outside - he'll get the same test
'for
real' now - I'll post here how it goes.
OK, that didn't happen - I'd left the Stanton on the tonearm (3rd and last
one used...) and Nigel spotted it from across the room. (He goes clubbin' a
lot* and can tell a Stanton at midnight on a foggy day from a hundred yards,
facing in the wrong direction, apparently!! :-)
See second from the right in this pic:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/carts.jpg
Anyway, *sighted* he picked the M95 (No. 2) and has stuck with this one for
months now - no matter how I try to throw him off the scent. I finally got
him to listen to the MP3s off the computer where he hadn't got a clue which
was which.....
....and he still picked the M95!!
After much chopping and swapping of headshells with the mandatory fag break
every 10 minutes, see:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/fagends.jpg
...the £325 V15 came bottom of the pile every time. On a lot *stronger*
material (12 inch 45s!!) the Stanton faired better and the bass put it ahead
of the others at times. (This is a twenty quid cartridge FFS!!)
* Whaaaat....??? :-)
OK, I've used a V15 in the past on my SME 3009II arm, and I know it is
a good cart, so I can only think that it is simply a really bad match
to your arm. I can't think of any reason why two testers - admittedly
I was the only unsighted one - put them in essentially the same order,
with the V15 at the bottom.
What is the arm?
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
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April 27th 05, 07:35 AM
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Il buono, il bruto, il cattivo - Take 2
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:15:18 +0100, "Keith G"
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4) The Stanton may not fair so well up against *stiffer* competition
True. But it is a ballsy little tyke and delivers unbeatable slam for the
more 'dynamic' type of music!! ;-)
(I can see why the DJs like 'em!!)
I don't know if I'd chossen any different had I known the price before
hand. Interesting!
Thanks for playing - it's fun/useful/fun for me. The various
opinions/criticisms expressed are *always* interesting and helpful. I like
the Stanton and plan to get a couple more - this little exercise has helped
me over come my own 'prejudices'!! :-)
Actually I think DJs like the Stanton because it is the only one you
can safely run the vinyl backwards with to cue up a track.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
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