"Phil North" wrote in message
...

And again the same can be said for vinyl, I much prefer listening to
vinyl, and think (as others such as Keith do), that the resultant sound
is more engaging, and produces a stronger effect of "being there". but I
don't for one minute think that in absolute terms the incredibly crude
process of playing vinyl will provide anywhere as electrically accurate
reproduction of the originally signal.

I agree with this, I find that if I put a CD on after a while I tend to
wander off and potter about while still listening. With vinyl I stay put
until the music stops, something keeps me there that I don't get from a CD
(and I do own some albums on both vinyl and CD).
I'm getting a valve amp soon but that doesn't mean that I'm getting rid of
my SS amp as I can see myself switching between the two for different
types of music.



Phil, by your own admission, you know bugger-all about music or audio kit -
how TF do you manage to post more common sense in the above than 90% of the
crap shovelled into this ng???

I will be in touch 'direct' later (quite a bit later, at this rate) about
our awaited amps - expect nothing to arrive before Mon/Tue next week. Have
you been asked to email Proelektra with your postal address? If not, do so
immediately.....

Later.....

Phil North wrote:

I agree with this, I find that if I put a CD on after a while I tend to
wander off and potter about while still listening. With vinyl I stay put
until the music stops,

CDs play longer.

In article ,
Dodge McRodgered wrote:
In matters of taste, no one can arbitrate what is right or wrong
without exposing themselves to charges of "pompous, arrogant ****" -
hence my hifi is better than yours P


It works like this. There are three groups of people A) People of normal
hearing who like vinyl and valves. B) People with defective hearing who
prefer SS. C) People with defective hearing and tourettes syndrome who
are unable to prevent themselves from making inapprorpriate comments to
the people in Group A.

Ok then.

Choose your favourite work. Get hold of the master tape. Have copies made
- using the finest technicians, equipment and materials available - to
both LP and CD.

Now set up a bet. You have to tell - without seeing, only listening, which
is the master and which is the CD.

The person with 'defective hearing' has to tell which is the master and
which the LP.

Let's make it best out of 10.

The bet? How about 10,000 quid. I'll put up that and you do the same.

Winner takes all, after expenses, naturally. Are you on?

No? I wonder why...

--
*If at first you don't succeed, try management *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
I'm getting a bit hacked off with being branded the bad guy here by
people who have either not been board for than a few minutes (and
therefore have no damn clue)

Hmmm, you'd expect them to be the most unbiased, wouldn't you?

I'n also not quite sure just how writing screeds of rubbish to a newsgroup
over years makes one somehow more qualified in the subject?

And I speak with some experience in this. ;-)

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*Confession is good for the soul, but bad for your career.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Phil North wrote:
I agree with this, I find that if I put a CD on after a while I tend to
wander off and potter about while still listening. With vinyl I stay put
until the music stops, something keeps me there that I don't get from a
CD (and I do own some albums on both vinyl and CD).

Well, yes. Given the way vinyl deteriorates with use, you'd be best to
treasure every minute.

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*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I don't want to lift the needle off part way through, because I'm worried I
will put yet another tick into the record. Likewise when it reaches the end I
don't want to leave the stylus scraping around the lead-out groove. It is a
very nervy sort of experience.

Don - Have you considered getting out more, taking a holiday and spending more
time in healthy tasks like peeling potatoes, digging up the turnips and oiling
the wheelbarrow?

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

"Dave xxxxx" wrote


IIRC, they have separate Vol controls for each channel which utterly
confounds the Yanks, I gather. (No surprise there...!!) Gives a you a
nice bit of 'balnce control' to square a (sonically) wonky room. Also
there are 'silent settings' on the IS, I believe so you dont blow
your brains out switching between sources?? All clever stuff.

Them volume controls are hard to use, drives me mad some times

Some people sell up after a bit, as they never get use to them


Doesn't bother me - I even use two seperate amps for bi-amping sometimes.
You can either effect a Balance Control or Tone Controls according to the
way you wire them.



If I am good next year, as I can not get new car, still banned due to a
couple of mini strokes will be able to splash out a bit.

Nice CD player Naim Wadia or Krell could be on the way to my collection or

this pre amp no idea what to use it with just like it :-)
http://www.eminentaudio.co.uk/Instru...ut/Absolut.htm

price below take heart pills before looking


12k


Nice one!! :-)

(But you know what I'm going to say don'tcha - that's enough money to buy
things with the phrases like SET and Koetsu in them...??? ;-)

"Nick Gorham" wrote


Maybe I am missing something here, but there seems to be two camps, both
trying to claim ownership of the word better (well three at least, as
valve and vinyl are not together for all). But the problem seems to be no
one has talked about what they are better AT.


Makes sense - 'better' is a moveable feast according to your requirements.


snip interesting stuff


And again the same can be said for vinyl, I much prefer listening to
vinyl, and think (as others such as Keith do), that the resultant sound is
more engaging, and produces a stronger effect of "being there". but I
don't for one minute think that in absolute terms the incredibly crude
process of playing vinyl will provide anywhere as electrically accurate
reproduction of the originally signal.


Agreed - and not a requirement for me. See other posts about my own
requirements from my own audio kit.


I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my thought,
doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else is wrong,
and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than someone
else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term better
doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....


I don't think we even need to do that, it would make a nice change in here
if a few people recognised that posters here are all supposed to be audio
(and music) enthusaists. The trouble comes when one or two people don't
feel constrained to behave with good manners and show respect to others
here. (Working off hidden agendas of their own?)


Anyway, I should stop reading this group and go and listen to my nice new
Kontrapunct cartridge, through my work in progress 211 SET, (Yes Keith you
win, I did give in and change from the GM70's).


:-)

OK, you know who said this don't you: "When the blokey designed the original
Ongaku, he had a blank cheque, an open brief, all the time he needed and
every single valve in the world was available to him - he chose the 211...."

;-)

(More offlist, later on....)

"mick" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:53:41 +0100, Nick Gorham wrote:

I think valves and vinyl are better than CD and SS, thats just my
thought,
doesn't mean anything much, certainly doesn't mean anyone else is wrong,
and doesn't mean my "better" is better (or even the same) than someone
else "better". So I think that objecting to the use of the term better
doesn't work anymore than saying its ok to have a preference.

Can't we just agree to differ, I know, silly idea....


Nicely said, Nick.


Agreed.


I like valves cos they light up - and, for me, its more fun to build valve
amps than s/s. Sitting here, I have a NAD 3020, a pair of Crimson 530
monoblocks, a Quad 33/303 system and a home-built SE triode-connected 6L6
"power" amp (must be almost 2 watts out of its cheap "music-centre"
OPTs...) and at the moment I prefer the latter! My musical appreciation is
probably distorted by the fact that I built it. ;-)


*Never*.....!!?? ;-)


Sometimes I prefer CD as the source - its more convenient -
and sometimes I prefer vinyl for the sound (my vinyl source is better than
my CD player). There is definitely room for both.


Agreed.


Personally, I don't mind whether my amp has a flat response etc so long as
it sounds ok to me... :-)


Agreed.

"JustMe" wrote in message
...
Is because I ****ING SAY SO!

I totally agree.

It's the height of arrogance and incredibly ignorant to assume that you
*know* that another person's perception of a subjective issue is wrong.

No one can claim to speak for an experience which they have not lived. You
are not me, therefore you cannot with any respectability, tell me that my
choice of hifi, cable, source - anything that I have chosen as
preferable -
is wrong.

In matters of taste, no one can arbitrate what is right or wrong without
exposing themselves to charges of "pompous, arrogant ****" - hence my hifi
is better than yours P


OK, I hope it is, then I know you'll have a fekkin' *blinding* system!!

('Cos mine ain't too ****e, I can tell ya!! ;-)

Rock on, Tommy.....

:-)