February 13th 04, 08:12 PM
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:36:52 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:
Vinyl recorded as WAVs is a different ballgame entirely - they are very
'listenable' in their own right and knock the **** out of the equivalent
CDs.
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
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February 13th 04, 08:50 PM
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:38:26 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:
Vinyl recorded as WAVs is a different ballgame entirely - they are very
'listenable' in their own right and knock the **** out of the equivalent
CDs.
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
You wouldn't have 30,000,000,000 UKP .... so stop the BS.
Ok, 5 grand.
He is expressing his personal OPINION.
Hes talking crap.
Vinyl recorded as a wav (16/44kHz or 16/48 tops as I am fairly sure Keiths equipment cant do better) will NOT sound different at all from the same uncompressed 16/44 recording from any other medium, CD, wifi link to a server, whatever.
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February 13th 04, 10:08 PM
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"Ronnie McKinley" wrote
I've said it a hundred times - I *envy* anyone who can get it done with
CDs!
But, having said that, I'm not aware of too many places to buy secondhand
CDs round here, anyways - only the same places as sell secondhand
vinyl......
You can buy loads of S/H CDs on the net.
My Bank Manager says I can't........
(Actually, never mind him, Swim says I'd better not.....!!!)
Well in that case it must be very, very rare jazz or very, very
avant-garde 
Wot, like Alonso X, El Sabio and Feodor Chaliapin? - Nah, think more like
McKinley's Cotton Pickers on RCA Victor (Mono) RD-7561 featuring such
memorable tracks as 'Beedle Um Bum' and 'Zonky'.....
(OK, it's McKinney's Cotton Pickers.... :-)
I would have thought by now (20 years on) if it was on a major label
or even a small label distributed by major or reasonable size
company then it would be on CD.
Out of interest what sort of stuff can't you pick up on CD?
OK, a very good example is the '504' Jazz label which features one-offs from
stalwarts (many long dead now) like:
George 'Kid Sheik' Cola
Sadie Goodson Cola
Frank 'Dude' Fields
Milford S Dolliole
Joshua 'Little Jack' Willis
Freddie Lonzo
Ralph Johnson
Sam Mooney
Les Muscutt (Born Barrow-In-Furness in 1941 and hopefully still knocking
around New Orleans somewhere)
Brian Turnock
Stanley Williams
Chester Zardis
Michael White
Vernon Gilbert
Clement Tervalon
Stanley A Stephens
Lionel Ferbos
David Griller
McNeal Breaux
John Robichaux
John 'Picky' Brunious
Eddie King
Paul 'Polo' Barnes
Lester Santiago
Charles Easley
Emile Maurice
Wendell Brunious
Louis Nelson
Clarence Ford
Jeanette Kimball
Stewart Davis
Chester Jones
George Girard
Pete Fountain
Joe Rotis
Roy Zimmerman
Bunny Frank
Charlie Duke
Wendell Eugene
Albert Walters
Raymond Burke
Emanuel Sayles
Theodore 'Teddy' Riley
Waldren 'Frog' Joseph
Manuel 'Manny' Crusto
Brian Turnock
to name but a few......
(My *intense* pleasure to salute these people with an individual mention
here.....)
(If it weren't such crap a lot of the time, the best place to discover
new
music would be the radio!)
Well I've always found the radio to be one of the best places for
discovering music, not just new music.
OK, what I meant really.
And of course old Jools hot finger's Holland still puts out a good
show on TV
Not lately, we find - the older he gets, the younger his programme gets.
(He'll be sporting a pony tail before long!)
Up 'til about 6 months ago Mr Holland's late-night eclectic offerings were a
very welcome relief from the dross that had usually preceded it. Lately it's
become more like TOTP3......!!!
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February 13th 04, 10:12 PM
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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:36:52 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:
Vinyl recorded as WAVs is a different ballgame entirely - they are very
'listenable' in their own right and knock the **** out of the equivalent
CDs.
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
OK, my mate 'Shiny Nigel' (known to at least 2 other regular posters here)
says so.
My numbered Swiss Bank Account is 00001234 - I will expect funds to be in
place by close of business Monday next....
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February 13th 04, 10:27 PM
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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:38:26 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:
Vinyl recorded as WAVs is a different ballgame entirely - they are
very
'listenable' in their own right and knock the **** out of the
equivalent
CDs.
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
You wouldn't have 30,000,000,000 UKP .... so stop the BS.
Ok, 5 grand.
Too late - I accepted your previous bid....
He is expressing his personal OPINION.
Hes talking crap.
What did you do with all those apostrophes I gave you - sold 'em for drink
and drugs?
Vinyl recorded as a wav (16/44kHz or 16/48 tops as I am fairly sure Keiths
equipment cant do better)
Digital music needs to be no more than 16/44....
will NOT sound different at all from the same uncompressed 16/44 recording
from any other medium, CD, wifi link to a server, whatever.
'Course it bloody does - sounds uncannily like the vinyl (but not
*completely* so - being in the middle of a sesh right this minute) which
does not sound much like the 'equivalent' CD at all. (As many others here
will attest, one way or another.....)
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February 13th 04, 11:18 PM
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:12:14 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
OK, my mate 'Shiny Nigel' (known to at least 2 other regular posters here)
says so.
Oh well, in that case...
My numbered Swiss Bank Account is 00001234 - I will expect funds to be in
place by close of business Monday next....
Ah, ****. I thought it was 00001235. oh well.
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February 13th 04, 11:50 PM
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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:12:14 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:
I'll give you 30,000,000,000 UKP if you can substatiate that argument.
OK, my mate 'Shiny Nigel' (known to at least 2 other regular posters
here)
says so.
Oh well, in that case...
My numbered Swiss Bank Account is 00001234 - I will expect funds to be
in
place by close of business Monday next....
Ah, ****. I thought it was 00001235. oh well.
Not a problem that's another of my accounts......
;-)
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February 14th 04, 12:04 AM
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"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
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In uk.rec.audio "Keith G" wrote:
Wot, like Alonso X, El Sabio and Feodor Chaliapin? - Nah, think more like
McKinley's Cotton Pickers on RCA Victor (Mono) RD-7561 featuring such
memorable tracks as 'Beedle Um Bum' and 'Zonky'.....
(OK, it's McKinney's Cotton Pickers.... :-)
Oh aye, forgot to mention it.
McKinney's Cotton Pickers
1928 The Band Don Redman Built Bluebird/RCA
1928 The Complete McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Vol.... RCA
1928 1928-1929 Classics
1929 1929-1930 Classics
1929 The Complete McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Vol.... RCA
1930 McKinney's Cotton Pickers/Don Redman Classics
1930 The Complete McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Vol.... RCA
1930 McKinney's Cotton Pickers (1928-1930) EPM Musique
1952 McKinney's Cotton Pickers RCA
1996 1930-1931/1939-1940 Classics
1999 Put It The 1928-1929 Frog
1999 Cotton Picker's Scat: 1930 Frog
2000 McKinney's Cotton Pickers, Vol. 3 Frog
Don't know about RCA Victor (Mono) RD-7561
Anyways .... WTF is ... MONO??
Don't worry about it.
OK, my juices are flowing now (and the band is playing strong), I'll see
your Googling and raise you a pic:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ow/pickers.jpg
and two choons:
Beedle Um Bum recorded on 9th April 1929 by the Cotton Pickers:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...eedleumbum.mp3 (3 Mb)
and West Indies Blues recorded on 1st September 1978 by Wendell Eugene's New
Orleans Band:
http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...ndiesblues.mp3 (2 Mb)
Note the, er, similarity....... :-)
(Like this stuff is over 70 years old and I'm still playing it....!!!)
NB. This is New Orleans Jazz (the Real McCoy) - it ain't everybody's cup o'
tee. Don't bother if a) you're too tight to spend on the Phone Bill or b)
only *think* you like New Orleans Jazz....
Oh and yes, WAVs would have been better..... :-)
Enjoy!
PS. Did your Googling tell you that two sprog members of the Cotton Pickers
were none other than Coleman Hawkins and Benny Carter? No? - Better rush out
and buy the CD then......
;-)
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February 14th 04, 12:31 AM
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"Ronnie McKinley" wrote in message
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In uk.rec.audio "Keith G" wrote:
PS. Did your Googling tell you that two sprog members of the Cotton
Pickers
were none other than Coleman Hawkins and Benny Carter? No? - Better rush
out
and buy the CD then......
"William McKinney was a drummer who by 1923 had retired from playing
in favor of conducting and managing a big band. In 1926 his outfit
became known as McKinney's Cotton Pickers and the following year
they scored a major coup by hiring arranger/altoist/vocalist Don
Redman away from Fletcher Henderson. As the band's musical director,
Redman put together an outfit that competed successfully with
Henderson and the up-and-coming Duke Ellington. The lineup of
musicians by the time they started recording in 1928 included
Langston Curl, Claude Jones, George Thomas and Dave Wilborn but it
was the advanced arrangements, the tight ensembles and the high
musicianship of the orchestra on a whole that was most impressive.
There were a few special all-star sessions with such players as Joe
Smith, Sidney DeParis, Coleman Hawkins, Fats Waller, and Lonnie
Johnson making appearances and James P. Johnson sat in on one date.
Among the more rewarding recordings overall were "Four or Five
Times," "It's Tight like That," "It's a Precious Little Thing Called
Love" and four future standards that Redman introduced: "Gee Baby
Ain't I Good to You," "Baby Won't You Please Come Home," "I Want a
Little Girl" and "Cherry."
"It was a major blow in 1931 when Don Redman departed to form his
own band. Benny Carter took over as musical director but despite the
presence of such fine players as Doc Cheatham, Hilton Jefferson and
holdovers Quentin Jackson, Rex Stewart and Prince Robinson, there
would only be one final recording session. The Depression eventually
did the band in and after much turnover in 1934 the classic group
broke up. McKinney organized later versions of the Cotton Pickers
but without making an impression."
OK, that's good Googling and very interesting, but what I want to know is
where TF is MY bloody reply with the links in it?? (This bloody machine's
started eating posts again - 2 twinkles to 1 and I've not got anybody in
Blocked Senders....??)
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