On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:44:49 -0000, "Wally"
wrote:

Ian Molton wrote:

The point
being the original poster asked what he should use and the answer is
Coax NOT Optical because the Coax route (if you follow my advice
about using free phono leeds that come with all hi-fi seperates) IS
cheaper than any Optical cable on the market.

Thats NOT *the* answer, its *AN* answer.

Exactly. He answered a question that wasn't asked and is now whining like a
bairn as he tries to puke his dumb error back up after it was shoved down
his throat. ;-)

No actually I was providing another alternative to Ian's advice that
the poster should buy an optical cable. Ian stated Optical is cheaper,
I pointed out that that is not the case.

I don't think trying to save an unsuspecting newbie from spending
unnecessary money on an optical cable, or worse an overpriced 'digital
coax'.

I would be very suprised if anyone that owns a home cinema system
didn't have at least one 'free' phono pair lying around.

Nutter wrote:

No actually I was providing another alternative to Ian's advice that
the poster should buy an optical cable. Ian stated Optical is cheaper,
I pointed out that that is not the case.

He didn't say it was cheaper, he said it was just as cheap.


I don't think trying to save an unsuspecting newbie from spending
unnecessary money on an optical cable, or worse an overpriced 'digital
coax'.

My original point was that advising someone to make their own isn't much
good as advice - if they know how to do it, they're unlikely to ask newbie
questions. Making your own is almost always cheaper because the labour of
manufature is removed from the cash outlay, but that doesn't mean it's
neccessarily a viable option.


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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:45:23 +0000
Nutter wrote:

Ian stated Optical is cheaper,

No I didnt.

I pointed out that that is not the case.

No you didnt. You plucked numbers out of the air that you FAILED UTTERLY
to substantiate with real references.

I costed up your maplin 'DIY' job and it would have cost 5ukp inc.
postage, compared to 6ukp for a READY BUILT optical lead (inc. postage)


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Kurt Hamster wrote:

Making your own is almost always cheaper because the labour of
manufature is removed from the cash outlay, but that doesn't mean
it's neccessarily a viable option.

It's rarely cheaper as what you gain by saving the labour is lost by
having to pay the retail cost of the bits.

For cheapie stuff, I would agree, but I'd imagine that there's a point where
the ready made product is substantially more expensive than the components.
(I was speaking in general terms, BTW, not neccessarily about cables.)


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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:23:13 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:45:23 +0000
Nutter wrote:

Ian stated Optical is cheaper,

No I didnt.

Sorry if I miss-interpreted your original post Ian but I think the
following implies you were saying that a Coax is not cheaper,
therefore you are saying that an Optical is cheaper:

================
No problem. Use co-ax rather than optical - it's cheaper.

'scuse me? I picked up a 3m optical cable for 6ukp.

they were selling 12m ones for ~20 IIRC.
================

I pointed out that that is not the case.

No you didnt. You plucked numbers out of the air that you FAILED UTTERLY
to substantiate with real references.

No, that was after we started the 'actual cost argument'. I have made
10m cable from Maplins for at a cost of 40p for 2 connectors and 20p
p/meter. However, this is not my main point.

Phono connectors (49p each):
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/mod... 00&Products=2

Single core (screened) cable (29p p\meter):
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/mod...0&Pro ducts=6

That's £3.88 for a 10m cable (oaky slightly more than I quoted), but I
was going back a few years.

Anyway the whole point of my thread was to do with using free cables
or ones you may have lying around, rather than buying expensive
pre-packed and well marketed ones from the hi-fi shop. At no point did
I ever suggest the original poster make up their own cables.


I costed up your maplin 'DIY' job and it would have cost 5ukp inc.
postage, compared to 6ukp for a READY BUILT optical lead (inc. postage)

What a very silly arguament...

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:09:56 +0000
Nutter wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:23:13 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:45:23 +0000
Nutter wrote:

Ian stated Optical is cheaper,

No I didnt.

Sorry if I miss-interpreted your original post Ian but I think the
following implies you were saying that a Coax is not cheaper,
therefore you are saying that an Optical is cheaper:

================
No problem. Use co-ax rather than optical - it's cheaper.

'scuse me? I picked up a 3m optical cable for 6ukp.

they were selling 12m ones for ~20 IIRC.
================

No, it implies I dont think coax is (significantly, if at all) more
expensive.

It does NOT say I thought they were cheaper than coax at all.

No you didnt. You plucked numbers out of the air that you FAILED
UTTERLY to substantiate with real references.

No, that was after we started the 'actual cost argument'.

You mean after you were backed into a corner with nowhere to go?

I have made
10m cable from Maplins for at a cost of 40p for 2 connectors and 20p
p/meter.

The optical cable price of 6ukp for 3m (including the 'plugs') was
including shipping.

However, this is not my main point.

Phono connectors (49p each):
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/mod... 00&Products=2

Yeah, I found those and posted the link already...

Single core (screened) cable (29p p\meter):
http://www.maplin.co.uk/products/mod...0&Pro ducts=6

you managed to find a slightly cheaper cable than the one I found in an
earlier post. well done.

That's £3.88 for a 10m cable

6.38UKP actually to make a fair comparison - my optical lead price
included shipping also.

so, 3m optical cable, READY MADE 6UKP
10m coax (DIY, cheapest junk going) 6.38UKP

yeah, you're really making your case here...

(oaky slightly more than I quoted), but I was going back a few years.

How many? Quite a bloody few - I remember buying phonos at school (via
maplins) and they were 50p each even then (10 years ago)

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:54:31 +0000
Ian Molton wrote:

No, it implies I dont think coax is (significantly, if at all) more
expensive.

doh. s/more/less/

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:27:41 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

Making your own is almost always cheaper because the labour of
manufature is removed from the cash outlay, but that doesn't mean it's
neccessarily a viable option.

It's rarely cheaper as what you gain by saving the labour is lost by
having to pay the retail cost of the bits.

If you're thinking audiophile, where a £10 interconnect is considered
almost ludicrously cheap and some people pay 10 times more for a gaudy
looking phono lead, making your own from quality (but not esoteric:-)
components is MUCH cheaper.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:07:17 +0000 (UTC), "Jb"
wrote:

What a very silly arguament...



But fun nonetheless.

:8 )