"RJH" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Informer" wrote in message


Given the 100's of entirely adequate copies of CDs that I've made
with a PC, I can't imagine why a person would do it any other way
unless extremely high volumes were needed, and you wanted to burn
many copies at a time.

Convenience largely. If you're just sitting there listening to music
and think 'mmm, copy of that would be nice', you just press a couple
of buttons and it's done.

Which is pretty much what CD copying on a PC takes to do.

I can use a computer up to 18 hours a day
for work related stuff, and while I (too) *can* use it to copy cds, I
find a standalone 'hifi' recorder does what I want without computer
bother.

Whether a computer is a bother has something to do with how its set up and
how computer literate you are.

Convenience does cost money, and perhaps that's why you can't
understand the reason,

I've seen more than a few people abandon their stand-alone CD burners for a
PC.

although the OP's justification does seem a little weird.

Yup, weird.

In article ,
Informer wrote:
You're not using a 'normalize' feature in your software, are you?

I have no idea. Where would I look?

Typically, the manual.


Found it in the Nero Express manual. Yes I am, as it is on in default,
should I untick it?

Definitely. I'll bet it's the cause of your distortion.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"the dead comedian" wrote in message


Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring
of vinyl & tapes to CD.

Yes, it simplifies out of existence many important capabilities described
below.

I accept your point here, although I'd like you to at least consider mine -
those capabilities are simply not important for me, none of my records are
that bad. Well, some are a bit crackly (!), it just doesn't bother me.

I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some
editing on the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the
high speed sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these
dubbed copies, but I still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm
sending in a trade. It also saves time, since I don't have to rip
all the tracks to the HD first or accidentally burn the disc TAO.

The author is solving a non-existent problem. I copy audio CDs routinely
on
my PC. It's a total no-brainer. I click an icon, load the discs, click a
button and the copy happens automatically and properly. The software (EZ
CD
5 or 6 or Nero) does the rest.

I wish my computer worked that well with on-the-fly copies. But it doesn't.

I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to
watch TV, my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop
is the best way to surf the web/email/type a document/use a
spreadsheet. Jack of all trades, master of none.

So speaks the voice of mediocrity and inflexibility. You can't do as good
of
a job transcribing other media to CD on stand-alone equipment as you can
do
on a PC.

Well, I'd agree that the pc offers more flexibility if you have the skill,
time, hardware, inclination and software.

For openers, name a CD recorder with the flexible tic and pop
reduction of a PC. Name one that lets you change the loudness of a song
after you've recorded it, but before you burn the CD. Name one that lets
you
edit lead-in noise as accurately and precisely.

The enduring point, at least for lazy sods like me, is that i wouldn't
bother to record music if I didn't have the standalone recorder.

The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores the
popularity and power of the Home Theater PC.

I don't really know what you mean here. My computer has certain stuff -
digital tv, analogue tv, posh soundcard and speakers. But I couldn't sit
comfortably and listen to, watch it, in the way I could my stereo or TV.
'Booting up' the television?! 17" 4:3 screen?!, Wires (I've even tried
wireless - straight back to the shop!), Noise? (my pc is supposedly silent -
not), recording stuff (have you tried recording/editing/archiving digital tv
on a pc?!). The technology may be close, I'm just not sure it's arrived.

The statement "My stereo is the best way to listen to music" ignores the
popularity of PCs as music players with vast music libraries.


Again not for me. It's fantastic that people get the same pleasure from
listening to their pc sound as I get from my stereo. I just don't see it.

Rob

Informer wrote:


"Arny Krueger" wrote

How does it feel to be the modern equivalent of the villiage idiot?
Literally millions of people burn CDs on their computer without
encountering
this kind of problem. Some of these people are literally kids.

Not too good at the moment

Question, If using a CD burner gives an identical copy then why am I given
a
choice of burn speeds? Is this just dependent on the max speed of the
CDR?

That and the the speed of the CD drive. Most CD burning software can read
the manufacturer's data on blank CDs which includes max burn speed.

Ian

Fair enough Julian - i'm not arguing with what you have said. I cannot tell
the difference audibly between my copies and originals and I have a fairly
serious hi fi - there is certainly no 'hum' or other nasty effects.

"Julian Fowler" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:51 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit
perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or
Nero.

Neither of these is ideally suited to making bit-perfect copies of
audio CDs ... especially CloneCD, which is specifically designed for
making (ahem) "backup" copies of copy-protected games discs.

EAC (www.exacaudiocopy.de) is just about the only truly reliable
method of producting 100% accurate extractions of CD audio data (on
Wintel platforms at least - I believe that cdparanoia has equivalent
functionality under Linux, and I'm sure that there's something similar
for Macs).

I use CloneCD V4.2.0.2 and cannot tell the difference between a copy and
original.

"cannot tell the difference" audibly (possible if your source discs
are clean, undamaged, etc.) or digitally?

Julian


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julian (at) bellevue-barn (dot) org (dot) uk

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:19:59 -0000
"RJH" wrote:


The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores the
popularity and power of the Home Theater PC.

I don't really know what you mean here. My computer has certain stuff -
digital tv, analogue tv, posh soundcard and speakers. But I couldn't sit
comfortably and listen to, watch it, in the way I could my stereo or TV.

Why? (Ok, YOUR PC may suck, but...)

My little box is truely silent - the discs spin down even. my TVs scanning coils are louder.

and a PC can drive a state of the art amp and speakers, and a screen far better and bigger than your TV.

so why, tell, is it an inferior solution?

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:19:59 -0000
"RJH" wrote:


The statement "My television set is the best way to watch TV" ignores
the
popularity and power of the Home Theater PC.

I don't really know what you mean here. My computer has certain stuff -
digital tv, analogue tv, posh soundcard and speakers. But I couldn't sit
comfortably and listen to, watch it, in the way I could my stereo or TV.

Why? (Ok, YOUR PC may suck, but...)

My little box is truely silent - the discs spin down even. my TVs scanning
coils are louder.

and a PC can drive a state of the art amp and speakers, and a screen far
better and bigger than your TV.

so why, tell, is it an inferior solution?

Couple of things:

No remote to change channels;
Picture size;
Picture quality;
Sound;
PC clutter;
PC noise;
Boot up a computer, then navigate menus, to watch tv.

But I realise these things are down to my sucking pc.

How do you get a decent picture (digital) from the pc to the TV? I've got an
ATI aiw video card and a Hauppauge Nova-T, and I've tried s-video, cable and
wireless. The picture was OK, not as sharp as RGB TV, but the biggest
problem was always aspect ratio. The wireless thing was very good until a
car drove past.

Also, I've read about the silent pcs, no fans, but aren't they very
expensive and restricted by the hardware (ie low heat)?

Thanks

Rob

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:20:40 -0000
"RJH" wrote:

so why, tell, is it an inferior solution?

Couple of things:

No remote to change channels;

Wrong

Picture size;

Wrong (as someone else pointed out, cinemas use digital projectors
controlled by PCs...)

Picture quality;

VERY wrong. Even most cheap monitors will out-do a TV in the same price
bracket.

Sound;

wrong.

PC clutter;

One box smaller than a VCR or DVD player ?!!

PC noise;

Nonexistant.

Boot up a computer, then navigate menus, to watch tv.

Scripted boot, no menus unless you want them.

But I realise these things are down to my sucking pc.

Clearly.

How do you get a decent picture (digital) from the pc to the TV?

either use a nice monitor (projectors are coming down in price a LOT...)
or find a TV with true RGB input.

I regard any non RGB input as ****e generally, wether fed by a PC or
not.

the biggest problem was always aspect ratio.

RTFM.

The wireless thing was very good until a car drove past.

What cars drive in your area that interfere with 2.4GHz wifi ?!

Also, I've read about the silent pcs, no fans, but aren't they very
expensive and restricted by the hardware (ie low heat)?

No.

For not-quite-but-damn-near-silent full spec Athlon and P IV machines,
try the shuttle XPC with a good quiet harddisc and DVD ROM. VERY good
prices - 130ukp for a barebone system!

For fast-enough-and-truely-silent try a Via EPIA or M series machine
with a nice external SS PSU. cheap too.

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:20:40 -0000
"RJH" wrote:

so why, tell, is it an inferior solution?

Couple of things:

No remote to change channels;

Wrong

Picture size;

Wrong (as someone else pointed out, cinemas use digital projectors
controlled by PCs...)

Picture quality;

VERY wrong. Even most cheap monitors will out-do a TV in the same price
bracket.

Sound;

wrong.

PC clutter;

One box smaller than a VCR or DVD player ?!!

PC noise;

Nonexistant.

Boot up a computer, then navigate menus, to watch tv.

Scripted boot, no menus unless you want them.

But I realise these things are down to my sucking pc.

Clearly.

How do you get a decent picture (digital) from the pc to the TV?

either use a nice monitor (projectors are coming down in price a LOT...)
or find a TV with true RGB input.

I regard any non RGB input as ****e generally, wether fed by a PC or
not.

the biggest problem was always aspect ratio.

RTFM.

The wireless thing was very good until a car drove past.

What cars drive in your area that interfere with 2.4GHz wifi ?!

Also, I've read about the silent pcs, no fans, but aren't they very
expensive and restricted by the hardware (ie low heat)?

No.

For not-quite-but-damn-near-silent full spec Athlon and P IV machines,
try the shuttle XPC with a good quiet harddisc and DVD ROM. VERY good
prices - 130ukp for a barebone system!

For fast-enough-and-truely-silent try a Via EPIA or M series machine
with a nice external SS PSU. cheap too.

Thanks for that info - I'll have a look at some time. I hadn't realised they
were that inexpensive.

Rob

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:23:39 -0000
"RJH" wrote:

Thanks for that info - I'll have a look at some time. I hadn't realised they
were that inexpensive.

Indeed, cute little boxes.

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