On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:40:51 -0000, Informer wrote:

"Ian Molton" wrote I have been burning music CD's on my
computer but get distortion on the odd
track at high frequencies.

Learn to make better recordings then...


Funny how every newsgroup has a village idiot on it who thinks he is funny
but contributes nothing!


Which word in "learn to make better recordings then" didn't you understand?

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:29:50 -0000, Informer wrote:

"Access" wrote

I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone
cd
recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer.



But the PC CD writer is creating high frequency distortion for some reason
which pees me off seeing that I have spent around £1500 on my Hi-Fi if I
include speaker stands and cable.

It can't. It either copies the data perfectly, or you won't be able
to read it and you won't get high frequency distortion as there'll
be no signal to distort.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:51 -0000, Westy wrote:

I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the
odd
track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and
using
various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy
a
purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used
them.

What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit
perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or Nero.

If the copy isn't perfect, it won't be "high frequency distortion". It'll
be about as subtle as kicking a turntable trying to play a record or
connecting/disconnecting your cables with the system volume turned all
the way up.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer"
wrote:

System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers,
Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder.



I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the odd
track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and using
various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy a
purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used
them.



I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck.
The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also
connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV cabinet,
so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play
the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation CD'
s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has
anyone got any recommendations?


I am wondering what sort of "distortion at high frequencies" you refer
to... Does it sound like the higher frequencies is slightly garbled as
if it is coming through water like somebody gargling and talking at
the same time..???

If it is then I would suggest that it will not be the CD writer at
fault.. More likely it is the original soundtrack which you recorded
from,, which "could" have been encoded at a low bitrate or by a poor
encoder. I have had (and indeed, still have that problem) with CD's I
burned from MP3's done at 128kb. I have found the only way to get rid
of it is to save the tracks at 320kb..

You may not be using MP3's as your source of sound but I am certain
that you have a similar symptom. Even if you rip audio tracks from a
CD then brun them yourself,, somewhere along the process, you will
have more than likely saved the track(s) and usually they are saved in
MP3 format and lots of people still use 128kb which really is much too
low...

I have also noticed that a few FM radio stations are now playing songs
from MP3's. You can usually tell if you have a good receiver and you
don't turn the treble down to zero and the bass up to full, like most
young guys do. This I have found to be quite the norm on some "oldies"
stations with 60's and 70's songs... Some of the songs sound
positively ghastly like this...

Buying a stand alone recorder drastically simplified the transferring of
vinyl & tapes to CD. I use audio CD-RWs when I need to do some editing on
the computer. If I want to make a duplicate CD, I use the high speed
sync-recording. I've never had a problem with these dubbed copies, but I
still wouldn't use them to burn discs I'm sending in a trade. It also saves
time, since I don't have to rip all the tracks to the HD first or
accidentally burn the disc TAO.

I believe in specialization. My television set is the best way to watch TV,
my stereo is the best way to listen to music, and my laptop is the best way
to surf the web/email/type a document/use a spreadsheet. Jack of all
trades, master of none.

tdc

"Access" wrote in message
...

I think you are throwing away your money. I can't see what a stand-alone
cd
recorder can offer more than a PC cd writer.

What source are you using for the music? If you copying another CD, you
shouldn't have a problem. If you are burning MP3's, then you can have all
sorts of problems. The sound will first be affected by the MP3 encoding,
and then possibly in the re-encoding to WAV or CDA. MP3 & ACC (used by
iTunes & iPods) are lossy compression schemes that affect the sound of the
music. To me, they sound flatter when compared the original track. I
strayed a bit from my initial point. If you are trying to burn badly
encoded files, no varying of speeds or discs will improve anything. [I
guess that's why someone told you to learn to record better.]

I say go for the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of
weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner.

tdc

"Informer" wrote in message
...
System: Rotel RA-02 amplifier, Rotel RCD-02 CD player, Quad 11L speakers,
Pioneer DVD 5100H hard drive/ DVD recorder.



I have been burning music CD's on my computer but get distortion on the
odd
track at high frequencies. I have tried burning at various speeds and
using
various makes of discs but get no improvement. I have now decided to buy
a
purpose built stand-alone hi-fi CD copier and wonder if anyone has used
them.



I have in mind the Sony RCD-W3 twin deck or the Philips CDR796 twin deck.
The recorder will not be connected to the hi-fi as my hi-fi is also
connected to the TV and Skybox and all lives under the TV in the TV
cabinet,
so I have run out of space and will use headphones if needed and then play
the recordings on the Rotel. Can anyone tell me if I can do compilation
CD'
s from more than one CD on these recorders like I can on my PC and has
anyone got any recommendations?

"Bruce Tyler" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:32:41 -0000, "Informer"


Ok this is what I do. Insert CD into writer, click on Nero Express, select
music then audio CD, I then select the tracks. Tracks are shown as Window
Media Player series 9 files within the Nero Express window. The tracks are
uploaded where I then insert a blank CDR. I then select the burn speed and
off I go. Some burns are fine but others have the odd track that sounds
like the volume has been turned up too far on a cheap portable radio and
gives slight distortion at upper frequencies that can only be heard on a
decent Hi-Fi system. In the last recording I did I used Window Media
Player to store the tracks on the hard drive first and copied off the hard
drive to Nero Express. This was the worst recording so far but I don't know
if it would have recorded better if I copied straight off the CD. All music
is taken from the original CD's

Thanks everyone for your comments.

"the dead comedian" wrote I say go for
the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of
weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner.



Can you record some tracks to a CDR then come back to the same CDR a few
weeks later and add more tracks on a stand alone Hi-Fi player like the Sony?

"Informer" wrote in message
...

"the dead comedian" wrote I say go
for
the stand-alone. I've had a Sony RCD-W500C for a couple of
weeks now and love it. I wish I bought it sooner.



Can you record some tracks to a CDR then come back to the same CDR a few
weeks later and add more tracks on a stand alone Hi-Fi player like the
Sony?

Yes, or at least you can on the one I use (a NAD). The compilation is
complete when you finalise the disk. You can download the NAD burner's
manual from their web site - it explains all in there. I think you might try
recording on the pc again though. I wouldn't use your method - extract the
tracks from the cd first using an app like EAC, then burn the wav files
using Nero.

Rob

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:55:51 -0000, "Westy"
wrote:

What CD burning software are you using? You should be able to make 'bit
perfect' copies i.e. identical copies using sonething like Clone CD or Nero.

Neither of these is ideally suited to making bit-perfect copies of
audio CDs ... especially CloneCD, which is specifically designed for
making (ahem) "backup" copies of copy-protected games discs.

EAC (www.exacaudiocopy.de) is just about the only truly reliable
method of producting 100% accurate extractions of CD audio data (on
Wintel platforms at least - I believe that cdparanoia has equivalent
functionality under Linux, and I'm sure that there's something similar
for Macs).

I use CloneCD V4.2.0.2 and cannot tell the difference between a copy and
original.

"cannot tell the difference" audibly (possible if your source discs
are clean, undamaged, etc.) or digitally?

Julian


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