"MeatballTurbo" wrote in message
t...

You know that special relationship we have with the states?
It's very special. They have been ****ing us for years, without having
to worry about making any ties or commitments.

Hanging should be brought back for: Murder, rape and death by dangerous
driving.

The law at the moment, is far too soft on drunk drivers

"Sir.Tony" wrote in message
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"MeatballTurbo" wrote in message
t...

You know that special relationship we have with the states?
It's very special. They have been ****ing us for years, without having
to worry about making any ties or commitments.

Hanging should be brought back for: Murder, rape and death by dangerous
driving.

You, sir, are an utter tit.
Not only do you fail to reply to the points of the above post, and spew
forth utterly irrelevent views, but your views are, to say the least,
unfounded and hysterical.

Have you any idea how many miscarriages of justice there are, and therefore
how many innocent people would hang for the above crimes? And just think,
for every innocent person murdered by the state, there's still an
unconvicted guilty person on the loose. and no-one will be looking, because
instead of having a chance to realise they were wrong, the police will be
sat smugly thinking justice has been dserved.

Also, put into context the act of murder. Could it be a result of years of
physical or mental abuse at the hands of a spouse or family member? Could be
it manslaughter, but the barrister was not a good one? I dare you to try and
state that it's a truly black and white issue, when every sentient being
knows life is more often than not shades of gray.

Define dangerous driving. For example, a very drunk cyclist on a main road,
late at night, with no lights, and no streetlights, swerves into the path of
an oncoming car. The driver of the car was going at 50% more than the speed
limit (speeding is a heinous crime according to many). The driver doesn't
see the unlit cyclist until it is far too late to stop. Dead cyclist. Does
the driver deserve death because he hit a near invisible obstacle?

The law at the moment, is far too soft on drunk drivers

I don't know why I'm bothering, but here goes.
Drink driving, in this day and age, is a very silly thing to do. The ever
changing law on the amount of alcohol means many people don't actually know
if they've had a drink too many or not. Many people still think 3 pints is
the limit, some thing one sniff of a weak shandy is, and so on. And some
people simply are not *drunk* on the amount the law says is currently
acceptable. I'm not sure you actually comprehend the difference between
drink driving, and drunk driving, either. Which wouldn't surprise me, as I
doubt you comprehend a great deal. At the level currently set, very very few
people would be considered to be drunk. Mildly impaired enough to be a high
risk, and therefore prosectued, but drunk, no. That is an important point.
Terminology, in a court of law, can be the make or break of a case.

It is also important to remember that like speeding, drinking does not
automatically result in major damage to people or property. An analogy might
be it is legal to own a carving knife. It is illegal to threaten someone
with it. It is illegal to kill someone with it. But should threatening
someone (with no intent to harm) be subject to the same punishment as
actually killing someone? So should someone who is slightly over the limit,
but in reasonable control of their faculties, suffer the same consequences
as someone who is out of their tree and mows down a bus queue?

I doubt you'll reply to this, as it means actually having to construct an
argument, the best I can hope for is another spectacular failure of yours to
say anything in context, but I'm bored (literally watching paint dry) and
playing with the feeble minded morons on usenet sometimes amuses me.

Oh, and once in a while, try to keep to some standards of posting, or Mr.
ISP might not let you play with the interweb any longer.

Stuffed wrote

"Sir.Tony" wrote in message
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"MeatballTurbo" wrote in message
t...

You know that special relationship we have with the states?
It's very special. They have been ****ing us for years, without having
to worry about making any ties or commitments.

Hanging should be brought back for: Murder, rape and death by dangerous
driving.

You, sir, are an utter tit.

You really cannot argue with that.

He goes dogging as well. I thought I would mention it just in case
anybody out there happens to be horribly homophobic.




Oh, and once in a while, try to keep to some standards of posting, or Mr.
ISP might not let you play with the interweb any longer.

But if you could get slung off the internet for just being an ignorant
tosser I doubt I would be replying to this post of yours, mr hard man
with his frets.




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"steve auvache" wrote in message
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Stuffed wrote

Oh, and once in a while, try to keep to some standards of posting, or Mr.
ISP might not let you play with the interweb any longer.

But if you could get slung off the internet for just being an ignorant
tosser I doubt I would be replying to this post of yours, mr hard man
with his frets.

Some ISPs get really ****ty about usenet posts.. And as he only ever seems
to post off topic, crossposting, and usually quite offensive or inflamatory
****e, his might decide to get shot of him.

Demon stirred up a whole shedload of crap with that daft case... Might as
well use it to an advantage once in a while though!

Besides, be nice to see if the prat can actually manage a structured reply
to anything, so I thought I'd give him enough to work with. Beat the hell
out of paint watching for a while

Stuffed wrote

Some ISPs get really ****ty about usenet posts..

Bugger all to do with the ISPs it is to do with whether the posts are
outlawed within the terms of the group(s) charter. If it is then the
ISP don't have to get ****ty they just have to do what is asked of them
by the likes of me.


And as he only ever seems
to post off topic, crossposting, and usually quite offensive or inflamatory
****e, his might decide to get shot of him.

Demon stirred up a whole shedload of crap with that daft case... Might as
well use it to an advantage once in a while though!


Following a response about his opinion of drunk drivers in a thread,
albeit crossposted, to a very few uk groups with "rec" in them and all
motor related, except perhaps audio?

Do grow up.



Besides, be nice to see if the prat can actually manage a structured reply
to anything, so I thought I'd give him enough to work with. Beat the hell
out of paint watching for a while

Best thing you can do with him then is either leave him alone or attack
his sexuality. He gets very insecure about both.


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"steve auvache" wrote in message
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Following a response about his opinion of drunk drivers in a thread,
albeit crossposted, to a very few uk groups with "rec" in them and all
motor related, except perhaps audio?

Drunk driving a common topic of conversation in those motor groups then?
Actually, more than likely in the 4x4 one - I live in the countryside, it's
not exactly unusual around here

And looking at alot of his other posts, he's certainly pushing the
boundaries of staying on charter in general, let alone the standards of
decency. If you want to be a vile narrow minded git there's thousands of
groups where it's the norm.

Do grow up.

If that's the best you can do...


Best thing you can do with him then is either leave him alone or attack
his sexuality. He gets very insecure about both.

All I want to do is see if he can ever string a coherent point together. I
don't go for people's sexuality, it's their live's. I just wanted to try and
find out what his problem is, see if there's any basis to his ********, or
if it is just that.

Nice of other people to reply and all that, but a bit of a waste of
bandwidth if the pillock himself doesn't say anything!

Think I might give up on this thread anyway.. Don't want to start a slagging
match with all and sundry who might actually be constructive posters most of
the time

"genuine" == genuine froggie writes:

genuine But why ?? It's not as if he's stolen a motorcycle, or
genuine anything ...

He wasn't even speeding!


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In message , Sir.Tony
writes

"MeatballTurbo" wrote in message
et...

You know that special relationship we have with the states?
It's very special. They have been ****ing us for years, without having
to worry about making any ties or commitments.

Hanging should be brought back for: Murder, rape and death by dangerous
driving.

The law at the moment, is far too soft on drunk drivers


TROLL,TROLL in the dungeons. (Collapse)
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Chris Morriss

"Stuffed" wrote in message
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You, sir, are an utter tit.
Not only do you fail to reply to the points of the above post, and spew
forth utterly irrelevant views, but your views are, to say the least,
unfounded and hysterical.

I totally disagree with that comment.


Have you any idea how many miscarriages of justice there are, and
therefore
how many innocent people would hang for the above crimes? And just think,
for every innocent person murdered by the state, there's still an
unconverted guilty person on the loose. and no-one will be looking,
because
instead of having a chance to realise they were wrong, the police will be
sat smugly thinking justice has been deserved.

I think hanging should only be an option, not compulsory. The convicted
person should have plenty opportunity to appeal if new evidence come to
light.


Also, put into context the act of murder. Could it be a result of years of
physical or mental abuse at the hands of a spouse or family member? Could
be
it manslaughter, but the barrister was not a good one? I dare you to try
and
state that it's a truly black and white issue, when every sentient being
knows life is more often than not shades of grey.

Don't be stupid every crime will be looked and discuss in the courts(that's
what the courts are for)

Define dangerous driving. For example, a very drunk cyclist on a main
road,
late at night, with no lights, and no streetlights, swerves into the path
of
an oncoming car. The driver of the car was going at 50% more than the
speed
limit (speeding is a heinous crime according to many). The driver doesn't
see the unlit cyclist until it is far too late to stop. Dead cyclist. Does
the driver deserve death because he hit a near invisible obstacle?

What a ridiculous thing to say. We all know what dangerous driving is, you
example is very week. That matter will be looked at in court and hanging
will just be an option.

The law at the moment, is far too soft on drunk drivers

I don't know why I'm bothering, but here goes.
Drink driving, in this day and age, is a very silly thing to do. The ever
changing law on the amount of alcohol means many people don't actually
know
if they've had a drink too many or not. Many people still think 3 pints is
the limit, some thing one sniff of a weak shandy is, and so on. And some
people simply are not *drunk* on the amount the law says is currently
acceptable. I'm not sure you actually comprehend the difference between
drink driving, and drunk driving, either. Which wouldn't surprise me, as I
doubt you comprehend a great deal. At the level currently set, very very
few
people would be considered to be drunk. Mildly impaired enough to be a
high
risk, and therefore prosecuted, but drunk, no. That is an important point.
Terminology, in a court of law, can be the make or break of a case.

It is also important to remember that like speeding, drinking does not
automatically result in major damage to people or property. An analogy
might
be it is legal to own a carving knife. It is illegal to threaten someone
with it. It is illegal to kill someone with it. But should threatening
someone (with no intent to harm) be subject to the same punishment as
actually killing someone? So should someone who is slightly over the
limit,
but in reasonable control of their faculties, suffer the same consequences
as someone who is out of their tree and mows down a bus queue?

I doubt you'll reply to this, as it means actually having to construct an
argument, the best I can hope for is another spectacular failure of yours
to
say anything in context, but I'm bored (literally watching paint dry) and
playing with the feeble minded morons on usenet sometimes amuses me.

What complete rubbish. A drunk driver on the road is like a loose cannon.
Every one is at risk when a drunk driver is on the road.

Something drastic has to be done about the alarmingly high number of road
accidents coursed by drunk drivers. Read crime is just not seen as a serious
crime by the eyes of the law at the moment. I think road crimes should be
taken very seriously, by the courts. And an effective deterrent should be
used to stop this mass murder on the road

Oh, and once in a while, try to keep to some standards of posting, or Mr.
ISP might not let you play with the interweb any longer.

This is all about freedom is speech. You either: [Agree or Disaree] that
what its all about.

You complaints will just give the people at Telewest, some great joke to
tell at the next office party ;-)

Sir.Tony wrote:

What complete rubbish. A drunk driver on the road is like a loose
cannon. Every one is at risk when a drunk driver is on the road.

********. I was completely ****faced driving back from Wales this evening -
sprog was falling about laughing at the way I couldn't stop running onto the
rumble strip on the edge of the M48 - but I didn't hit anything, didn't kill
anyone, didn't even break the speed limit. Victimless crime. Stop being
such an old woman, you pathetic self-panicker.


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