A phase question
 

Brian Gaff wrote:

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He is only trying to wind you up, ignore him.
Brian


** You must be completely stupid as well as blind.

You pathetic attempts at trolling deserve no replies.




..... Phil

A phase question
 

Swedish Handle? Is that the one you need to start volvos?
Brian

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tiistai 31. lokakuuta 2017 20.00.47 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Why is everyone so grumpy today?
Brian

Grumpy? Not me, Sir.

I have spent a most enjoyable day listening to takes of a new recording of
music by Johan Helmich Roman, a Swedish baroque composer, affectionately
called "The Swedish Handel". I rate him on a par with Thomas Arne.
Beautiful!

Iain

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keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 10.26.15 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Swedish Handle? Is that the one you need to start volvos?
Brian

I mentioned Johan Roman because although he is one of the most accomplished baroque composers, he does not seem to be well-known in the UK.

You shot down my attempt at discussion with a jejune troll. Well, done!
Is it any wonder that UKRA has so few subscribers these days?

Iain

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In article , Iain
wrote:
tiistai 31. lokakuuta 2017 19.59.45 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Yes best played on a radiogram! Brian

When the Phase Four technique was conceived, most people listened on
radiograms :-) In hindsight, most will agree it was a bit gimmicky, but
that is what was expected of stereo. These recordings were originally
released on the "London" label and intended for the American market.
The senior producer, Tony D'Amato was brought over from the States. Take
a listen to the Phase Four recording "Pass In Review" released in 1961.
People thought it was sensational. Considering the techniques used, it
is a remarkable recording, to this day.

Following the success of the "Decca Sound" CD box sets a few years ago they
also released a box of the "Phase Four" recordings. Having listened to
them, what struck me was that the recordings D'Amato were credited with
were louder and more distorted than the recordings made by others. So
overall the results varied from 'spectacular' to 'awful'.

That said, I confess I had similar reactions to some of the "Living
Presence" CDs. Although there in some cases, from measurements, I'm not
sure to what extent the clipping was during transfer to CD or of the tape
machines.

Jim

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keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 12.07.07 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:

Following the success of the "Decca Sound" CD box sets a few years ago
they
also released a box of the "Phase Four" recordings. Having listened to
them, what struck me was that the recordings D'Amato were credited with
were louder and more distorted than the recordings made by others. So
overall the results varied from 'spectacular' to 'awful'.

That said, I confess I had similar reactions to some of the "Living
Presence" CDs. Although there in some cases, from measurements, I'm not
sure to what extent the clipping was during transfer to CD or of the tape
machines.

Tony D'Amato, whom I knew well, was trying to make the loudest and most
spectacular MOR recordings available at that time. He was an excellent orchestral producer. He used to set up a music stand above the bridge of the console facing the engineer, where he could see the stereo meter pair, and give every cue with great clarity. So as an engineer you knew exactly what was going on in the piece without having to even glance at your own score.

His exaggerated "fortissimo" and "sforzsando" meant that the engineer responding to them was in danger of driving the tape into distortion. So Decca engineers used to align the stereo master recorder 4dB "hot" on replay, and turn the record level down by a similar amount, So that the peak
levels would appear to be the same. Mr D'Amato soon got wise to this :-)

Interestingly on Phase Four classical sessions, and on sessions with the Ted Heath Orchestra, Edmundo Ros, Frank Chacksfield, Stanley Black etc, his quest for high levels was not so much in evidence. But the "spectacular" productions had to be loud.

Iain

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In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:

Dave Plowman (Lying POS Pommy Turd ) spewed:

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Saying, as Phil did, that only relative levels between L&R determines
positioning is simplistic nonsense.


** Nothing like what I actually posted - you vile LIAR.

Die right now.

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From: Phil Allison
Subject: A phase question
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:35
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

** Most stereo recordings rely on amplitude differences to create apparent
positions for sounds when listening to a stereo pair of speakers.

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Is that nothing like you posted, dear Phil?



** Nothing like what you falsely claimed I wrote.

You stinking, pommy psychopath.

The rest contained so many inaccuracies, I just started with the first
one.

If amplitude was the most important (which I assume you think it is by
mentioning it first) then a single mono mic slung over an orchestra and
fed equally to both L&R would give perfect stereo.

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Dave Plowman is Criminally INSANE

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Saying, as Phil did, that only relative levels between L&R determines
positioning is simplistic nonsense.


** Nothing like what I actually posted - you vile LIAR.

Die right now.

***********


From: Phil Allison
Subject: A phase question
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:35
Newsgroups: uk.rec.audio

** Most stereo recordings rely on amplitude differences to create apparent
positions for sounds when listening to a stereo pair of speakers.

**********

Is that nothing like you posted, dear Phil?



** Nothing like what you falsely claimed I wrote.

You stinking, pommy psychopath.


The rest contained so many inaccuracies,


** Not one.



If amplitude was the most important ....



** Nothing like what I wrote.

A social misfit of Plowman's magnitude ought not die an ordinary death, being dismembered, de-bowled and fed bit by bit to swine is fitting.


FYI to all:

That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

uk.rec.audio is very nearly dead now.

Soon it will be totally extinct.




..... Phil

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keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 12.07.07 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:

I confess I had similar reactions to some of the "Living
Presence" CDs. Although there in some cases, from measurements, I'm not
sure to what extent the clipping was during transfer to CD or of the tape
machines.

This predilection for higher levels has always been with us,
and is very much alive today.

Back in the 1930's the jazz label OKeh, was considered to make the
best records. It is probably no co-incidence they were the loudest too:-)

To this day the public judge louder to be better, especially in radio broadcast.

I have recently been involved in making a "showreel CD" for several
singing students. One track, orchestra and female vocal, a s,low ballad which I liked very much indeed, had a huge sordino string section. woodwinds, French horns with trumpets and trombones in bucket mutes. The most wonderful, mellifluous sound.

All tracks were mastered to -0,5dB FS. I made the vocalist a test CD
for her approval. She phoned me a couple of days later and said
"It sounds pretty good, but some of the tracks by other singers (with two guitars, keyboards, bass and drums) sound a lot louder, even though they have a much smaller band!.


Hmm!

Iain

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In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but
actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

This from the one who only ever lays down 'the law' and never discusses
anything.

Except for 'Die soon, you vile pommy ****' and similar.

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A phase question
 

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
Following the success of the "Decca Sound" CD box sets a few years ago
they also released a box of the "Phase Four" recordings. Having listened
to them, what struck me was that the recordings D'Amato were credited
with were louder and more distorted than the recordings made by others.
So overall the results varied from 'spectacular' to 'awful'.

Had a pal who worked for Decca in the day. He reckoned the Phase 4 stuff
was specifically designed to sell to 'Hi-Fi' enthusiasts. And rather
frowned upon by those who made the many very good Decca traditional
recordings.

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