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Iain wrote:

Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the UK ?

What if you can't see the words and have to listen to them via a screen
reader?

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torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 11.24.33 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article , Iain
wrote:

Tony D'Amato, whom I knew well, was trying to make the loudest and most
spectacular MOR recordings available at that time. He was an excellent
orchestral producer. He used to set up a music stand above the bridge of
the console facing the engineer, where he could see the stereo meter
pair, and give every cue with great clarity. So as an engineer you knew
exactly what was going on in the piece without having to even glance at
your own score.

His exaggerated "fortissimo" and "sforzsando" meant that the engineer
responding to them was in danger of driving the tape into distortion.
So Decca engineers used to align the stereo master recorder 4dB "hot" on
replay, and turn the record level down by a similar amount, So that the
peak levels would appear to be the same. Mr D'Amato soon got wise to
this :-)

Yes, the distortion on the results in some cases does support that, sadly.

Your obsession with distortion and "rifle shots" must surely detract from and limit your listening experience ? I remember Keith G's advice to you,
"Jim, listen to the music"

Last night I was listening to some old but very fine Otto Klemperer
recordings. (Brian could have great fun with his middle name, continuing his car joke theme) The Klemperer recordings were not technically good by modern standards, but still outstanding as performances.


Mr D'Amato was widely considered to be the finest light music record producer of his era in the UK. The recording projects which he
conceived and produced sold in huge numbers, and received very good
reviews worldwide.

Phase Four Records were ubiquitous at audio fairs, and there were long queues of people wanting to buy the records which equipment
manufacturers were using in their demonstrations.

Decca publicity department received frequent telephone calls asking about release dates for upcoming albums, and dealers were kept busy taking advanced orders for the next Phase Four recording, whatever it might be.


Iain

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torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 15.52.10 UTC+2 Andy Burns kirjoitti:
Iain wrote:

Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the UK ?

What if you can't see the words and have to listen to them via a screen
reader?

I take you point. But given the context, I think the meaning was perfectly
clear.

And, if Jim says it was a joke, it was a joke!

Iain

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torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 12.36.59 UTC+2 Dave Plowman (News) kirjoitti:

It's something I've never understood. If something is too loud, I turn it
down. Too quiet, turn it up. Pretty well all equipment has a volume
control. Unless you are recording muzak where the listener has no control
over the final level - or pop stuff for a jukebox.

It seems that people skipping through channels on the car radio usually pick the loudest station. Dealers have stated that they can sell an amp by setting its volume control just slightly louder on the comparator.

From my own experience I know that if I play two identical versions of the same mix, one of which has just 3dB compression, that will be the one that most people choose.

Many radio stations don't even bother to play complete songs any more with a continuity announcement between, They simply crossfade from one song to
the next. People consider quieter to be weaker, in both senses of the word.

It's almost as if those who indulge in this loudness war are never
actually a 'normal' listener to such things.

They are simply trying to give the public what they (the public) think
they want. There is a great deal at stake here, and the public are
fickle:-)

Iain

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In article , Iain
wrote:
torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 11.24.33 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article ,
Iain wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 10.26.15 UTC+2 Brian Gaff kirjoitti:
Swedish Handle? Is that the one you need to start volvos? Brian

I mentioned Johan Roman because although he is one of the most
accomplished baroque composers, he does not seem to be well-known in
the UK.

You shot down my attempt at discussion with a jejune troll. Well,
done! Is it any wonder that UKRA has so few subscribers these days?

Serious sense-of-humour failure on your part, alas.

Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the UK ?
If so, it is clear that the pound sterling and the health service are
not the only things there in serious decline :-)

Brian may be able to comment on the NHS. He is blind. Think about it before
digging deeper about his deliberate pun.

Jim

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torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 17.16.20 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article , Iain
wrote:
keskiviikko 1. marraskuuta 2017 15.46.14 UTC+2 Dave Plowman (News)
kirjoitti:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:

Had a pal who worked for Decca in the day.

:-)) Really?

Well, "Really" bad attribution, in fact. Given that I wrote none of what
was in the email content you quoted! :-)

Apologies, Jim. I was sitting in an airport lounge, with one eye on the board showing delayed departures. It was of course Dave who says he had a
pal who worked at Decca. Interesting he has never mentioned him before :-)

I only really get the time to access this NG when I am travelling.

Iain

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In article , Iain
wrote:
torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 11.24.33 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article ,
Iain wrote:

Tony D'Amato, whom I knew well, was trying to make the loudest and
most spectacular MOR recordings available at that time. He was an
excellent orchestral producer. He used to set up a music stand above
the bridge of the console facing the engineer, where he could see
the stereo meter pair, and give every cue with great clarity. So as
an engineer you knew exactly what was going on in the piece without
having to even glance at your own score.

His exaggerated "fortissimo" and "sforzsando" meant that the
engineer responding to them was in danger of driving the tape into
distortion. So Decca engineers used to align the stereo master
recorder 4dB "hot" on replay, and turn the record level down by a
similar amount, So that the peak levels would appear to be the same.
Mr D'Amato soon got wise to this :-)

Yes, the distortion on the results in some cases does support that,
sadly.

Your obsession with distortion and "rifle shots" must surely detract
from and limit your listening experience ? I remember Keith G's advice
to you, "Jim, listen to the music"


Given that you remember it, a pity that you seem not to have heeded it
for yourself. :-) If you had, you might not be wasting so much of your
time and ours on telling us what a miracle-worker D'Amato was.


Last night I was listening to some old but very fine Otto Klemperer
recordings. (Brian could have great fun with his middle name, continuing
his car joke theme) The Klemperer recordings were not technically good
by modern standards, but still outstanding as performances.


Agreed. I'd also agree that, say, the some of the very early experiments
like the EMI recoding of a Prokofiev symphony are actually excellent. None
of which alters what I'd written.

Mr D'Amato was widely considered to be the finest light music record
producer of his era in the UK. The recording projects which he
conceived and produced sold in huge numbers, and received very good
reviews worldwide.


Yet as you've told us, the other Decca people tried to stop him from
recording at the levels he was wanting. I presume from what you're saying
that you think they were wrong to try and avoid saturation, etc?


Phase Four Records were ubiquitous at audio fairs, and there were long
queues of people wanting to buy the records which equipment
manufacturers were using in their demonstrations.

Decca publicity department received frequent telephone calls asking
about release dates for upcoming albums, and dealers were kept busy
taking advanced orders for the next Phase Four recording, whatever it
might be.

You may well be correct, but does that invariably justify high peak
saturation or clipping which could be avoided? Is that what you do nowdays
youself? If so, because you like the effect, or think it will sell more
copies?

Oddly, Radio 3, for example, seems to think otherwise. And IIUC Phase Four
isn't the norm for classical music nowdays Although I'd agree that some
think that - when it comes to 'popular' music - clipping and upward
compression are what sells.

In fairness, of course, back then the distortion levels for many 'hi fi'
disc replay systems when operating at these peak modulation levels would
have been quite high, so may have masked the problem. Perhaps more evident
now we can hear digital transfers. Hence perhaps something to reget now it
is too late to avoid saturation changes having been added to performances
we can't re-record.

Jim

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In article , Iain
wrote:
torstai 2. marraskuuta 2017 15.52.10 UTC+2 Andy Burns kirjoitti:
Iain wrote:

Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the
UK ?

What if you can't see the words and have to listen to them via a
screen reader?

I take you point. But given the context, I think the meaning was
perfectly clear.

And, if Jim says it was a joke, it was a joke!

Shame that you continued for another posting before you realised that.

Jim

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

Mike Fleming wrote:

--------------------

In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

FYI to all:

That so many posters here not only tolerate this vile psychopath, but actually defend his monstrous behaviour is an indictment on you all.

uk.rec.audio is very nearly dead now.

Soon it will be totally extinct.

I would describe your behaviour as psychopathic,



** Proving beyond any doubt what a know nothing moron you are.

Really?

I post solid technical stuff you simply cannot comprehend.

Really?

I suppose that just shows how monumentally stupid you are, as well as
sublimely arrogant.

Plowman is a monstrous charlatan and vile egomaniac.

This NG is ****ed and so are YOU.

You're doing a grand job of ****ing it. Keep on slinging the faeces,
monkey boy.

--
Mike Fleming

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Mike Fleming Scumbag wrote:

----------------------------



I post solid technical stuff you simply cannot comprehend.

Really?



** Beyond any doubt.



Plowman is a monstrous charlatan and vile egomaniac.

This NG is ****ed and so are YOU.

You're doing a grand job of ****ing it.



** Know nothing MORONS like YOU are the problem.

Improve this NG right now, by ****ing off.




...... Phil

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In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Improve this NG right now, by ****ing off.

It's *UK* rec audio, pet. While of course visitors from anywhere are
welcome, it does help if they're from the same planet.

--
*Why is it that rain drops but snow falls?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Improve this NG right now, by ****ing off.

It's *UK* rec audio, pet. While of course visitors from anywhere are
welcome, it does help if they're from the same planet.

presses 'like' button

--
Graeme

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Graeme wrote:

presses 'like' button


** Your name has been noted.




..... Phil

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In article ,
Phil Allison writes:

Mike Fleming Scumbag wrote:

----------------------------



I post solid technical stuff you simply cannot comprehend.

Really?

** Beyond any doubt.

Why do you believe I cannot comprehend it, monkey boy?

Plowman is a monstrous charlatan and vile egomaniac.

This NG is ****ed and so are YOU.

You're doing a grand job of ****ing it.


** Know nothing MORONS like YOU are the problem.

Improve this NG right now, by ****ing off.

I think I'll hang around now you've told me to **** off, monkey boy.
Especially if it gets under your skin. Would you like to fling more
faeces?

--
Mike Fleming

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Once upon a time on usenet Phil Allison wrote:
Graeme wrote:

presses 'like' button


** Your name has been noted.

Crazy psychopathic meglomaniac.

I guess we should be happy that you live out your murderous domination
fantasies here on usenet rather than in real life (????).
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

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perjantai 3. marraskuuta 2017 11.35.04 UTC+2 Jim Lesurf kirjoitti:
In article , Iain
wrote:

(Iain)
Does the misspelling of a composers name now pass as humour inn the UK ?
If so, it is clear that the pound sterling and the health service are
not the only things there in serious decline :-)

(Jim)
Brian may be able to comment on the NHS. He is blind.

(Iain)
Perhaps also comments would be of interest from people who are
having to pull out their own teeth (BBC Word News/The Guardian)
because dental patient registers are oversubscribed, and they
cannot get the treatment to which they are entitled under the NHS.

And what about comments from the 100 000 people who (according
to a report from the Ambulance Association)last year spent
more than one hour in the back of an ambulance before they
could be admitted into A+E (Sky News/Dail Telegraph 3.12.2017) ??

Iain