Mic comparison
 

Nothing much doing so I've posted the quick microphone comparison I
mentioned recently.

These are are a simultaneous sax recording with two different mics, one
costing about 10X the price of the other:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicB.wav


Anybody pick a clear winner?

(Playing and/or recording quality here is nor the issue - both mics suffered
the same treatment and no editing has been done to the recordings other than
an attempt to match the levels somewhat.)

Mic comparison
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Nothing much doing so I've posted the quick microphone comparison I
mentioned recently.

These are are a simultaneous sax recording with two different mics, one
costing about 10X the price of the other:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicB.wav


Anybody pick a clear winner?

(Playing and/or recording quality here is nor the issue - both mics
suffered the same treatment and no editing has been done to the recordings
other than an attempt to match the levels somewhat.)


C'mon boys and girls - no response is not an option! Here are the two mics
in question (still in place):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/TwoMics.jpg


Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price of
the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!

(But that's just me and my 'cloth' ears! ;-)

Mic comparison
 

In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Nothing much doing so I've posted the quick microphone comparison I
mentioned recently.

These are are a simultaneous sax recording with two different mics, one
costing about 10X the price of the other:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicB.wav


Anybody pick a clear winner?

(Playing and/or recording quality here is nor the issue - both mics
suffered the same treatment and no editing has been done to the recordings
other than an attempt to match the levels somewhat.)


C'mon boys and girls - no response is not an option! Here are the two mics
in question (still in place):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/TwoMics.jpg


Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price of
the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!

(But that's just me and my 'cloth' ears! ;-)



Could we just have a bit of male speech instead please?..

With some pauses in it ...
--
Tony Sayer

Mic comparison
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price
of the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!

There's a lot more to a mic than simply producing a reasonable sounding
recording under the sort of circumstances you're likely to use it.

--
*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mic comparison
 

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Nothing much doing so I've posted the quick microphone comparison I
mentioned recently.

These are are a simultaneous sax recording with two different mics, one
costing about 10X the price of the other:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicB.wav


Anybody pick a clear winner?

(Playing and/or recording quality here is nor the issue - both mics
suffered the same treatment and no editing has been done to the
recordings
other than an attempt to match the levels somewhat.)


C'mon boys and girls - no response is not an option! Here are the two mics
in question (still in place):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/TwoMics.jpg


Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price of
the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!

(But that's just me and my 'cloth' ears! ;-)



Could we just have a bit of male speech instead please?..

With some pauses in it ...


No, not unless I can find a *volunteer* tomorrow!

:-)

Besides which, it's the sax I need to record, not speech.

Mic comparison
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Like I say: The Neumann (with the requisite pre) is about 10X the price
of the Samson USB mic and I don't think there's a lot in it!

There's a lot more to a mic than simply producing a reasonable sounding
recording under the sort of circumstances you're likely to use it.


Such as?

Durability and resistance to shock, I suppose - if so, I can't see how the
Samson would be less tough than the Neumann. It's like a cosh!

Mic comparison
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Nothing much doing so I've posted the quick microphone comparison I
mentioned recently.

These are are a simultaneous sax recording with two different mics, one
costing about 10X the price of the other:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicA.wav

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/MicB.wav


Anybody pick a clear winner?


Morning Keith,

I am away at the moment, and so can only listen
in a rather rudimentary fashion. You have presented
two complete segments (instead of switching between them
say every four bars) which makes comparison more difficult.

I get the impression (on headphones) that Mic.A has less
high frequency content? Being able to switch an AB of the
two directly would confirm or disprove this.

Have you compressed/peak limited the signal?
I am wondering about, for example, the attack of the first
G (E natural on Eb alto saxophone) and hear the same effect
on both versions, so this is probably not a characterisic of
either microphone.

For any kind of comparison purposes of the solo mic,
the leakage of the backing track is somewhat distracting.

(Playing and/or recording quality here is nor the issue - both mics
suffered the same treatment and no editing has been done to the recordings
other than an attempt to match the levels somewhat.)

Mic comparison is not, as I see it, about which sounds
"better" or "worse", "winners" or "losers" but which you
consider to be the more appropriate to capture the sound
which you, have in mind for that particular task.

No two mics sound the same. In fact there may be
differences between mics of the same type from the
same maker. Charles Gerhardt, at RCA, had picked out
and written down the serial numbers of two Neumann
KM 83s which he said he preferred for solo acoustic
instruments, to any of the others.

Placement is almost as important as the choice of microphone.
The saxophone is quite a difficult instrument in that respect.

One mic think, from watching TV, that clipping a
Sennheiser 608 on a gooseneck to look down into
bell is a good way to go about it Don'tchakidyerself!

It's an interesting topic. Let's discuss it:-)

Hopefully this thread will take off. UKRA seems to
have been very quiet:-)

Breakfast is served.....

In haste
Iain

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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No two mics sound the same. In fact there may be
differences between mics of the same type from the
same maker. Charles Gerhardt, at RCA, had picked out
and written down the serial numbers of two Neumann
KM 83s which he said he preferred for solo acoustic
instruments, to any of the others.

Placement is almost as important as the choice of microphone.
The saxophone is quite a difficult instrument in that respect.


I'd have thought that placement was actually rather *more* important, along
with the acoustic environment. And if we are getting so anal as to start
trying to identify individual "preferred" mics from a type, how about
temperature? It'll affect the sound carrying properties of the air as well
as the degree of expansion and electrical resistance of the metal in the
microphone.

David.

Mic comparison
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
There's a lot more to a mic than simply producing a reasonable sounding
recording under the sort of circumstances you're likely to use it.


Such as?

Durability and resistance to shock, I suppose

You suppose wrong.

- if so, I can't see how the
Samson would be less tough than the Neumann. It's like a cosh!

--
*Be more or less specific *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mic comparison
 

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
One mic think, from watching TV, that clipping a
Sennheiser 608 on a gooseneck to look down into
bell is a good way to go about it Don'tchakidyerself!

Seem to remember you asking for help on how to mike up a roving sax on
stage...

It may have escaped your notice, but TV isn't a recording studio. Any more
than a live gig is. So what works for one won't necessarily work for the
other. I'm amazed one with all your claimed experience doesn't already
know this.

--
*I get enough exercise just pushing my luck.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.