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"Keith G" wrote

"The C03U has an onboard, digitally controlled analog INPUT GAIN stage
which is
controlled by the C03U software fader. The fader control provides a range
of gain
from -62 to +48 dB."


Hmmm, that *almost* rings a bell!

But if the gain is controlled in software I don't have or want, then I can
adjust levels in my recording software.


Why do you not have it? surely it came bundled with the mic? As for not
wanting it, sure you can increase the gain in your recording software, but
every 6dB of gain you apply there loses you one bit of resolution.

David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote

"The C03U has an onboard, digitally controlled analog INPUT GAIN stage
which is
controlled by the C03U software fader. The fader control provides a
range of gain
from -62 to +48 dB."


Hmmm, that *almost* rings a bell!

But if the gain is controlled in software I don't have or want, then I
can adjust levels in my recording software.


Why do you not have it? surely it came bundled with the mic?


Possibly, but the mic came alone - it was not a 'podcasting' kit as featured
on the Samson website. The CD is *almost* familiar but I can't be sure I had
one. There's no sign of the box or the CD anywhere atm, but I frequently
have a cull of empty boxes, so it could have been chucked out. (??)



As for not
wanting it, sure you can increase the gain in your recording software, but
every 6dB of gain you apply there loses you one bit of resolution.


Noted, but as I said just now a quick couple of sax snatches later this
afternoon gave me quite a useful signal strength that would have needed no
boosting - I don't know where the weedy '1/4 inch' waveforms I have been
getting recently came from.

But no matter, Tony's remarks rather reinforced my own favourable view of
the Neumann, so I shall concentrate on that - maybe a new pre somewhat short
of a 12 channel mixer!

I'm looking hard at the MicPort Pro atm:

http://www.centrance.com/products/mp/

??

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In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
As for the Neumann, it is currently being ruined by that preamp. Spend
30 quid on a small Behringer mixer with its exemplary preamps and find
out what it is truly capable of.

d

Exemplary pre amps Don, must be quite recent then;?..

Fairly recent. They are ruler-flat, ultra-low noise and virtually
distortion-free0 They performed slightly better in all areas than
those in a Neve desk.. I did a test with some pro audio chaps with
some CDs of their choice re-recorded via analogue output, through the
Behringer mic preamps and back to digital. They could hear no
difference.

Is the circuit published anywhere?

--
*It doesn't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:51:15 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
As for the Neumann, it is currently being ruined by that preamp. Spend
30 quid on a small Behringer mixer with its exemplary preamps and find
out what it is truly capable of.

d

Exemplary pre amps Don, must be quite recent then;?..

Fairly recent. They are ruler-flat, ultra-low noise and virtually
distortion-free0 They performed slightly better in all areas than
those in a Neve desk.. I did a test with some pro audio chaps with
some CDs of their choice re-recorded via analogue output, through the
Behringer mic preamps and back to digital. They could hear no
difference.

Is the circuit published anywhere?

Not that I know of. The whole thing is a pretty standard bus layout,
but much more modern than is usually the case with mixers, which tend
to be a couple of technology steps old by the time they hit the
studio.

d

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message


The Samson mic has a maximum SPL of 136dB. Assuming the
girls were speaking at 80dB, that leaves 56dB to make up
in software to achieve full scale. More worrying
perhaps, dividing 56 by six, that is 9 of the 16 bits
unused. So it is effectively using a 7-bit ADC. That
makes for a considerable noise floor.


The C03 apparently has a mic preamp gain control that
operates via a special application that comes with the
mic. From the user manual:

"The C03U has an onboard, digitally controlled analog
INPUT GAIN stage which is
controlled by the C03U software fader. The fader control
provides a range of gain
from -62 to +48 dB."


Hmmm, that *almost* rings a bell!

But if the gain is controlled in software I don't have or
want, then I can adjust levels in my recording software.

I suspect that the mic preamp gain is also controlled by a gain control in
the Windows Recording Mixer.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Don Pearce" wrote in message


The Samson mic has a maximum SPL of 136dB. Assuming the
girls were speaking at 80dB, that leaves 56dB to make up
in software to achieve full scale. More worrying
perhaps, dividing 56 by six, that is 9 of the 16 bits
unused. So it is effectively using a 7-bit ADC. That
makes for a considerable noise floor.


The C03 apparently has a mic preamp gain control that
operates via a special application that comes with the
mic. From the user manual:

"The C03U has an onboard, digitally controlled analog
INPUT GAIN stage which is
controlled by the C03U software fader. The fader control
provides a range of gain
from -62 to +48 dB."


Hmmm, that *almost* rings a bell!

But if the gain is controlled in software I don't have or
want, then I can adjust levels in my recording software.

I suspect that the mic preamp gain is also controlled by a gain control in
the Windows Recording Mixer.



Not sure that it is; my mic input is via 'Line In Realtek High
Definition'..??

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Don Pearce" wrote in message


The Samson mic has a maximum SPL of 136dB. Assuming
the girls were speaking at 80dB, that leaves 56dB to
make up in software to achieve full scale. More
worrying perhaps, dividing 56 by six, that is 9 of
the 16 bits unused. So it is effectively using a
7-bit ADC. That makes for a considerable noise floor.


The C03 apparently has a mic preamp gain control that
operates via a special application that comes with the
mic. From the user manual:

"The C03U has an onboard, digitally controlled analog
INPUT GAIN stage which is
controlled by the C03U software fader. The fader
control provides a range of gain
from -62 to +48 dB."


Hmmm, that *almost* rings a bell!

But if the gain is controlled in software I don't have
or want, then I can adjust levels in my recording
software.

I suspect that the mic preamp gain is also controlled by
a gain control in the Windows Recording Mixer.



Not sure that it is; my mic input is via 'Line In Realtek
High Definition'..??


No. That's your on-board audio interface.

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Don Pearce
scribeth thus



As for the Neumann, it is currently being ruined by that preamp. Spend
30 quid on a small Behringer mixer with its exemplary preamps and find
out what it is truly capable of.

d

Exemplary pre amps Don, must be quite recent then;?..

Fairly recent. They are ruler-flat, ultra-low noise and virtually
distortion-free0 They performed slightly better in all areas than
those in a Neve desk.. I did a test with some pro audio chaps with
some CDs of their choice re-recorded via analogue output, through the
Behringer mic preamps and back to digital. They could hear no
difference.


Behringer do their own version of the 'tubey pre':

http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipmen...-mic200--22801


Cheap as chips and suspiciously like the ART tubey pre I have!


Odd that there're cheaper then the olde Neve's..

Perhaps Keith might pick one up look reet grande in the livin room;'!..


We've already got one grand in the living room, thanks Tony!

;-)

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Fairly recent. They are ruler-flat, ultra-low noise and virtually
distortion-free0 They performed slightly better in all areas than
those in a Neve desk.. I did a test with some pro audio chaps with
some CDs of their choice re-recorded via analogue output, through the
Behringer mic preamps and back to digital. They could hear no
difference.


Behringer do their own version of the 'tubey pre':

http://www.dv247.com/studio-equipmen...-mic200--22801


Cheap as chips and suspiciously like the ART tubey pre I have!

Anything with 'voices' should be reserved for a happy clappy recording.

--
*We have enough youth, how about a fountain of Smart?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On 12/04/2011 11:21, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Anything with slap

Just shut the **** up.