"Boon" wrote in message
...
Just got the new Trenner & Friedl ART monitors from Austria. These
little monitors are absolutely gorgeous with a rich cherry veneer and
a black Corian baffle. I'm still waiting on the stands but I have them
set up in a temporary configuration and they really sound wonderful.
While they look tiny, the cabinets are very deep, and they go down to
about 44 Hz at -6 dB. They're replacing a set of medium-sized
floorstanders from Vienna Acoustics, and the ARTs throw up a much
larger soundstage and go just as deep in the bass.

While T&F are just now making it to these shores, they're well-known
in Europe. The ARTs are relatively new...the serial numbers on mine
are 36a and 36b.

http://www.trenner-friedl.com/index2...art&sprache=en


That is seemingly a sales pitch you are loading onto this group -
are you the Stateside distributor for those over-priced boxes?

You state "they go down to about 44hz at -6db" That is a dramatic
minus 6 decibels at a not very low 44hz that they roff off at!
So your subsequent claim "go just as deep in the bass" cannot be
true, it is just not possible with those specs!

If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch, ahem, well...
Corian is a product developed a long time ago by DuPont, it is used
for kitchens etc. For the price of those pair of boxes I could rig every
kitchen counter in Corian in a couple households for half the price
of those boxes and still get change!
So you bought into the sales pitch that as they sandwiched Corian
with MDF (Thats medium Density Fibre board) you fell for it and paid
the silly price for them? (This reminds me of the Neat Petite nonsense
but at least they were 20% of the cost - but still crap small boxes)
Elsewhere in this thread you post that each box has been hand
polished - one dosen't polish Corian, just needs occasional wipe with
a damp cloth, just like a kitchen counter.
I've cross posted this to a UK group, so if anyone can be arsed to
reply, in other group though it's not as knackered as this group there is
a bloke there in Scotland who can get frazzled about syntax/grammer etc.
So be careful.
I've uploaded another clip, feel free to comment and be as abusive as
you wish - I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLOfMaM-vw

This evening I am eating a toasted sarnie comprising custard, crushed
smokey bacon crisps, sliced strawberries, and one mashed sardine.

PS. Who is snitching on me to YT?

On Oct 12, 5:59*pm, "Fed Up Lurker"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message

...

Just got the new Trenner & Friedl ART monitors from Austria. These
little monitors are absolutely gorgeous with a rich cherry veneer and
a black Corian baffle. I'm still waiting on the stands but I have them
set up in a temporary configuration and they really sound wonderful.
While they look tiny, the cabinets are very deep, and they go down to
about 44 Hz at -6 dB. They're replacing a set of medium-sized
floorstanders from Vienna Acoustics, and the ARTs throw up a much
larger soundstage and go just as deep in the bass.

While T&F are just now making it to these shores, they're well-known
in Europe. The ARTs are relatively new...the serial numbers on mine
are 36a and 36b.

http://www.trenner-friedl.com/index2...art&sprache=en

That is seemingly a sales pitch you are loading onto this group -
are you the Stateside distributor for those over-priced boxes?

No, asshole. I've known most of these people for years, and some of
them have been to my house and have listened to my systems. So I felt
maybe they might be interested (one of them definitely was), even
though it seems audio discussions are not allowed on RAO anymore.


You state "they go down to about 44hz at -6db" That is a dramatic
minus 6 decibels at a not very low 44hz that they roff off at!
So your subsequent claim "go just as deep in the bass" cannot be
true, it is just not possible with those specs!

It's true, because I said they go just as deep in the bass as the
floorstanders they replace. Learn to read.


If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch, ahem, well...

No. I actually write about this stuff.

Corian is a product developed a long time ago by DuPont, it is used
for kitchens etc. For the price of those pair of boxes I could rig every
kitchen counter in Corian in a couple households for half the price
of those boxes and still get change!

And you wouldn't have the drivers, or the Cardas cabling, or the
German crossovers, or the cabinets. I know what Corian is.

So you bought into the sales pitch that as they sandwiched Corian
with MDF (Thats medium Density Fibre board) you fell for it and paid
the silly price for them?

False assumption.

(This reminds me of the Neat Petite nonsense
but at least they were 20% of the cost - but still crap small boxes)
Elsewhere in this thread you post that each box has been hand
polished - one dosen't polish Corian, just needs occasional wipe with
a damp cloth, just like a kitchen counter.

So are they lying about hand-polished Corian? Would you like to
challenge this in court? Or are you just talking out of your ass?

Yet another idiot (evidently a guy who remodels kitchens) who hasn't
heard them.

On Oct 12, 8:06*pm, Boon wrote:
On Oct 12, 5:59*pm, "Fed Up Lurker"


You state "they go down to about 44hz at -6db" That is a dramatic
minus 6 decibels at a not very low 44hz that they roff off at!
So your subsequent claim "go just as deep in the bass" cannot be
true, it is just not possible with those specs!

It's true, because I said they go just as deep in the bass as the
floorstanders they replace. Learn to read.



and what was wrong with those?




Corian is a product developed a long time ago by DuPont, it is used
for kitchens etc. For the price of those pair of boxes I could rig every
kitchen counter in Corian in a couple households for half the price
of those boxes and still get change!

And you wouldn't have the drivers, or the Cardas cabling, or the
German crossovers, or the cabinets. I know what Corian is.


and you wouldn't have the doorhandles!


So you bought into the sales pitch that as they sandwiched Corian
with MDF (Thats medium Density Fibre board) you fell for it and paid
the silly price for them?

False assumption.

I suspect you did not pay for them, thus your insensitivity
to the requirements of prospective customers who actually would
have to pay $4,300 for them.

"Boon" wrote in message
...


Snippeety doo dah


If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch, ahem, well...

No. I actually write about this stuff.

A blog?


Yet another idiot (evidently a guy who remodels kitchens) who hasn't
heard them.

Hi Boon
I suspect you are feeling a tad stressed.
They are an Austrian brand, worryingly you seem to be conducting
your argument in this group along the lines of an Austrian from history.
From your words I imagine, that you imagine you are at a rally in 1930's
Munich, standing at a podium thumping your laptop whenever anyone
at the rally (this group) fails to cheer?
Now breath deeply and relax...

Isn't the whole point of these netty forum thingy's to question the
marketing spiel of brands, not post the actual marketing hype!
If you do really "write about the stuff" apart from a blog, shouldn't
you be questioning a brands claims? There is no mystery to speakers,
all drives are now sourced from a couple of production lines in China.
There are some who think all speakers have to be tested in a
space-time continium water chamber (or something similar?).
No they don't. In the example that you posted, it is a 5 inch metel thingy,
in a floorstander they would be the mid-range drive unit. All thats
needed to configure is the roll-off and x-over for a specific enclosure
size,
sensitivity and impedence etc. But there is no mystery of how speakers
are made and what they can or can't do. And the parameters for enclosures
are long established. As for cost - the biggest mark-up is the retailers,
followed by distribution costs. There is no R&D costs, thats all done.
Just a thought, are you a dealer?
If you really do write about this stuff (apart from a blog and usenet)
and if you really are cosy with manufacturers, then an interesting path
for you to follow is to ask the Austrians where they source that 5 inch
drive unit. Just another thought, Monitor Audio and Mordaunt Short both
use metel drive units?

Another of my short low quality YT clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fERNXdRVPA

Today for lunch I will be having a bowl of Heinz chicken soup topped
with grapes and potato skins with sugary Peak Frean bikkies for dipping.

"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in
message

That is seemingly a sales pitch you are loading onto this
group - are you the Stateside distributor for those over-priced
boxes?

Boonie probably obtained the speakers for review. If you google "Marc
Phillips vinyl" you'll see a selection of his so-called work.

You state "they go down to about 44hz at -6db" That is a
dramatic minus 6 decibels at a not very low 44hz that they roff
off at! So your subsequent claim "go just as deep in the bass"
cannot be true, it is just not possible with those specs!

That would be "fast bass" ;-)

If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch,
ahem, well... Corian is a product developed a long time
ago by DuPont, it is used for kitchens etc. For the price of those pair of
boxes I
could rig every kitchen counter in Corian in a couple
households for half the price of those boxes and still get change!

All good points.

So you bought into the sales pitch that as they
sandwiched Corian with MDF (Thats medium Density Fibre board) you fell for
it and paid the silly price for them? (This reminds me of the Neat
Petite nonsense but at least they were 20% of the cost -
but still crap small boxes) Elsewhere in this thread you
post that each box has been hand polished - one dosen't polish Corian,
just needs
occasional wipe with a damp cloth, just like a kitchen counter.
I've cross posted this to a UK group, so if anyone can be
arsed to reply, in other group though it's not as
knackered as this group there is a bloke there in
Scotland who can get frazzled about syntax/grammer etc.
So be careful. I've uploaded another clip, feel free to comment and be
as abusive as you wish - I love it.

Boonie no doubt obtained the speakers for review. Other than casual writing
for internet freebies, he seems to be pretty much living off the wife. He's
a well-known newgroup punter who recently got bounced from the staff of one
of the glossier internet freebies.

Please don't cross-post from RAO - it just brings in a lot of trash.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in
message

If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch,
ahem, well... Corian is a product developed a long time
ago by DuPont, it is used for kitchens etc. For the
price of those pair of boxes I
could rig every kitchen counter in Corian in a couple
households for half the price of those boxes and still
get change!

All good points.


BTW I don't know whats hot and not for kitchens in the UK, but Corian fell
from favor in the US maybe 10 or more years ago. The new magic is granite.
You can figure what's the next good idea for high end speakers, no? ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in
message

If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch,
ahem, well... Corian is a product developed a long time
ago by DuPont, it is used for kitchens etc. For the
price of those pair of boxes I
could rig every kitchen counter in Corian in a couple
households for half the price of those boxes and still
get change!

All good points.


BTW I don't know whats hot and not for kitchens in the UK, but Corian fell
from favor in the US maybe 10 or more years ago. The new magic is granite.

When I had my kitchen re-done recently I was offered granite worktops. I
took one look at the price and opted for the cheaper alternative. Whether
that alternative was Corian or not I don't know, I didn't take that much
interest.

You can figure what's the next good idea for high end speakers, no? ;-)

I remember the fashion for making speakers out of concrete drainpipes. And
when my grandfather built his own HiFi speaker (just the one, it was before
the days of stereo) it included copious quantities of builders' sand.

David.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:19:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
m
"Fed Up Lurker" wrote in
message

If you are a genuine punter who fell for the sales pitch,
ahem, well... Corian is a product developed a long time
ago by DuPont, it is used for kitchens etc. For the
price of those pair of boxes I
could rig every kitchen counter in Corian in a couple
households for half the price of those boxes and still
get change!

All good points.


BTW I don't know whats hot and not for kitchens in the UK, but Corian fell
from favor in the US maybe 10 or more years ago. The new magic is granite.
You can figure what's the next good idea for high end speakers, no? ;-)


The best thing about granite is the built-in radioactivity, both as
subatomic emission and the steady release of radioactive Radon gas.
Down in Cornwall, the UK's main source of granite, all new house
builds must have a ventilated void below the lowest floor to stop the
gas penetrating the house from the ground below.

d

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
snip

That is seemingly a sales pitch you are loading onto this
group - are you the Stateside distributor for those over-priced
boxes?

Boonie probably obtained the speakers for review. If you google "Marc
Phillips vinyl" you'll see a selection of his so-called work.

Currently all a brief search found of Marc's was...... A blog!
But in his blog he refers to some E-journals he said he once
contributed articles to.

You state "they go down to about 44hz at -6db" That is a
dramatic minus 6 decibels at a not very low 44hz that they roff
off at! So your subsequent claim "go just as deep in the bass"
cannot be true, it is just not possible with those specs!

That would be "fast bass" ;-)

To be six decibels behind at 44hz, the roll off would have started
much earlier, for those enclosures probably at 250hz the roll off
began, so I wouldn't describe that as fast bass, more "lack of"
or "rapidly vanishing"....


snipped
Boonie no doubt obtained the speakers for review. Other than casual
writing for internet freebies, he seems to be pretty much living off the
wife. He's a well-known newgroup punter who recently got bounced from the
staff of one of the glossier internet freebies.

Please don't cross-post from RAO - it just brings in a lot of trash.
Oh, OK....

On Oct 13, 8:12*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

Boonie no doubt obtained the speakers for review.

No, I didn't.

Other than casual writing
for internet freebies, he seems to be pretty much living off the wife.

That's one of the most hilarious lies you've ever told about me.

He's
a well-known newgroup punter who recently got bounced from the staff of one
of the glossier internet freebies.

And that's a third lie in a singlle post. You know what happens when
you lie about me, Arny. Email forthcoming.


Please don't cross-post from RAO - it just brings in a lot of trash.

We kept out the trash when I kicked you off RAO.