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Old August 2nd 03, 07:20 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Stephen Judge" wrote in message
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Sorry for being so dense but how does one do it ?
My monoblocks each have a single pair of speaker outlets, my speakers two
pairs of connecting posts with a bridging strap in place. Do I simply run
double leads from the amp to each separate speaker post and remove the
bridging strap ?
Thanks


Article on bi-wired amps
http://www.sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm
Hope this helps.
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Old August 2nd 03, 07:39 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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Article on bi-wired amps
http://www.sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm
Hope this helps.


Not much :-)
That's about bi-amping, an established technique.

They're talking about bi-wiring, which is snake-oil.
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Old August 2nd 03, 09:21 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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"Chris Morriss" wrote in message
news
In message , Kurt Hamster
Don't forget that the difference between 0 and 1 is greater than the
difference between 1 and 1,000,000.

Wrong again.

Is it?

Yes.


You're wrong then. Simple as that.


No, Stewart's quite right. 'Difference' is a precise mathematical
statement. The difference between 0 and 1 is 1.

Now if you had said 'ratio', that would have been a very different
thing.
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Chris Morriss


Ah, but things are different from numbers, at least to most people. What's
the difference between having no cd players and one? In terms of love,
expectation, cost, room space and so on. Between none and two? One and two?
Perhaps if I phrased it in terms of Audis. No, that wouldn't work.
Rob


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Old August 2nd 03, 09:23 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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.... or even a Polo.


Yes but thought Pinky might just put more thought into it this way.
He might disagree with a polo lol.

WOW you jump in and enjoy your journey to work AND back.



Vrooooooooooooooom


Yea who's got the keys?


Steve


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Old August 3rd 03, 08:06 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:21:51 +0100, "RJH"
wrote:


"Chris Morriss" wrote in message
news
In message , Kurt Hamster
Don't forget that the difference between 0 and 1 is greater than the
difference between 1 and 1,000,000.

Wrong again.

Is it?

Yes.

You're wrong then. Simple as that.


No, Stewart's quite right. 'Difference' is a precise mathematical
statement. The difference between 0 and 1 is 1.

Now if you had said 'ratio', that would have been a very different
thing.
--
Chris Morriss


Ah, but things are different from numbers, at least to most people.


Quite so, but Kurt didn't say 'the difference between one thing and
nothing', did he? He used numbers.

What's
the difference between having no cd players and one? In terms of love,
expectation, cost, room space and so on. Between none and two? One and two?
Perhaps if I phrased it in terms of Audis. No, that wouldn't work.


Actually, we do have two Audis, and they both work. :-)
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Old August 3rd 03, 09:34 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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I had some spare cable anyway so tried bi-wiring with two single channel
monoblocks. If it made a difference I'm still struggling to hear it !

Perhaps I'll try again if I move to bi-amping.


Bi-amping will almost certainly make an audible difference. Whether
it's an improvement.....

Always remember: Expensive + Different = Better :-)
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Old August 3rd 03, 10:10 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
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In article ,
Stephen Judge wrote:
I had some spare cable anyway so tried bi-wiring with two single channel
monoblocks. If it made a difference I'm still struggling to hear it !


I'm not surprised. ;-)

Perhaps I'll try again if I move to bi-amping.


That's a more expensive experiment. If you mean just two amps effectively
in parallel, again there will be no benefit unless you need (and the
speakers can handle) the extra power.

Proper bi-amping involves a crossover before the power amps and not using
the one in the speaker. But this requires proper design to give an
improvement unless the speakers have poorly designed crossovers - unlikely
in decent makes.

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Old August 3rd 03, 12:43 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
Proper bi-amping involves a crossover before the power amps and not
using the one in the speaker. But this requires proper design to give
an improvement unless the speakers have poorly designed crossovers -
unlikely in decent makes.


Widely successfully employed with subwoofers, though.


Indeed. The benefits are even more so with low frequencies due to the
greater power required. A well designed passive crossover at say 50 hz
made to handle 150 watts would be pretty costly.

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Old August 3rd 03, 11:47 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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I always thought active was the way to go if you could afford it.
Does not going active reap benefits of the following:

1. less strain on the amps due to frequency bandwidth
2. Increased speaker efficiency therefore more dynamic range
3. Improved amplifier control of speakers through damping factor.

And a few more likely that dont come to mind.


Maybe. But might not sound any better than a nice amplifier driving a
nice 2-way speaker with a well-designed crossover.

Complicated systems introduce a lot more ways to go wrong!
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Old August 3rd 03, 11:58 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
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In article ,
Stevie Boy wrote:
I always thought active was the way to go if you could afford it.
Does not going active reap benefits of the following:


1. less strain on the amps due to frequency bandwidth


A good amp shouldn't be worried by what it's driving.

2. Increased speaker efficiency therefore more dynamic range


The limiting factor will still be toasting the speaker voice coils if you
have sufficient power.

3. Improved amplifier control of speakers through damping factor.


Could be, although most crossovers will effectively couple the bass driver
direct to the amp at the frequencies where damping factor matters.

And a few more likely that dont come to mind.


Well, you could use say a class A amp for the mid frequencies where
distortion is most noticeable. And also the HF - keeping a more efficient
and cheaper A-B amp for the bass.

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